ColonelPhantom (u/ColonelPhantom)

ColonelPhantom commented on Bikeshedding, or why I want to build a laptop geohot.github.io//blog/je... · Posted by u/cspags

viraptor · 14 days ago

The gestures are there in KDE already https://github.com/NayamAmarshe/ToucheggKDE

ColonelPhantom · 14 days ago

Touchegg kinda sucks (gestures are not 1:1 but rather just "triggered"), and you also don't need it. KDE and Gnome (as well as some WMs like Niri) have native touchpad gesture support on Wayland. Using my touchpad for history navigation also works flawlessly on Firefox with two fingers (essentially just horizontal scrolling).

ColonelPhantom commented on GNOME 50 completes the migration to Wayland, dropping X11 backend code linuxiac.com/gnome-50-end... · Posted by u/upofadown

mx7zysuj4xew · a month ago

The only file managers that run on Wayland are the weird "flat" kind with "is" that prevent you from doing anything that didn't match their poorly conceived use cases

ColonelPhantom · a month ago

I have no idea what you are saying (with "is"??), but I don't think this is true: KDE Dolphin is very full-featured and runs natively on Wayland.

ColonelPhantom commented on GNOME 50 completes the migration to Wayland, dropping X11 backend code linuxiac.com/gnome-50-end... · Posted by u/upofadown

vidarh · a month ago

Window positioning is one that on its own is sufficient to make me ignore Wayland, as it means that without my own compositor with my own extension, I can't get a file manager that will behave how I want it.

Most people won't care, but for a number of us Wayland is stubbornly refusing to support functionality we see as dealbreakers.

ColonelPhantom · a month ago

That's fair! I believe that window positioning also works on XWayland, though, so running your file manager that way should still work with the rest of the system being Wayland (and Gnome has no plans to drop XWayland afaik).

I believe the main holdup is a desire for Wayland to be usable with e.g. VR interfaces where there is no simple 2d grid.

Out of curiosity, how do you want the file manager to behave? And did you write your own or are you using an existing one that works that way?

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DanielHB · a month ago

Is this a codeword for "not contractor"? I heard that at google contractors are second class citizens.

ColonelPhantom · a month ago

I think FTE is mostly used as a 'unit'. E.g. if two people work on something 50% of the time, you get one "FTE-equivalent", as there is roughly one full-time employee of effort put in.

Though in this context it just seems to be the number of people working on the code on a consistent basis.

ColonelPhantom commented on GNOME 50 completes the migration to Wayland, dropping X11 backend code linuxiac.com/gnome-50-end... · Posted by u/upofadown

benterix · a month ago

What a strange title. X11 is still more popular than Gnome, and formulating a wish like a fact doesn't make it so.

ColonelPhantom · a month ago

Anecdotally, I strongly doubt this is true, although my environment is probably quite biased. I know a ton of people who use Gnome, some who use KDE, and I think roughly all of these people use them with Wayland. The standalone-WM users I know are also mostly on Sway or other Wayland ones. The only real X11 holdouts seem to be people using X11-only DE's, such as Xfce or Cinnamon.

ColonelPhantom commented on GNOME 50 completes the migration to Wayland, dropping X11 backend code linuxiac.com/gnome-50-end... · Posted by u/upofadown

mx7zysuj4xew · a month ago

X11 is not going anywhere. If anything it's Gnome adding another nail to its coffin

ColonelPhantom · a month ago

Rumors of Gnome's demise seem greatly exaggerated to me. It's still the default DE in nearly all major distributions, and it doesn't seem to have incurred major mindshare or marketshare hits recently. I feel like most of the 'complainers' already abandoned the Gnome ship with the release of GNOME 3.

Really the only high-profile 'switch' in recent times I can think of is that Fedora promoted KDE to be first-class ('edition') alongside Gnome, instead of delegated to a more second-class spin. And while KDE is a bit more conservative in this regard, I believe that in the long term KDE also wants to go Wayland-only at some point.

Personally I did switch from Gnome to KDE some time after Gnome 40, since I quite liked 3.x but the UI overhaul 40 did wasn't really my thing. It also helps that KDE got a lot better in recent years.

ColonelPhantom commented on GNOME 50 completes the migration to Wayland, dropping X11 backend code linuxiac.com/gnome-50-end... · Posted by u/upofadown

user3939382 · a month ago

The “what’s the harm” here is the systemd conversation all over again basically. If you pipe everything through a single point of failure black box users have already lost, when you combine it binary blob drivers that shouldn’t exist it’s worse. Linux is doomed in achieving its most important goals which are user freedom, not someone’s idea of pretty UI imposed at the expense of that. If that’s what users want they should buy a Mac. If you want to get locked out of your OS for eye candy we have that.

ColonelPhantom · a month ago

Where is this Wayland black box then? If anything, Wayland made this situation significantly better: the X11 server was exactly this 'single point of failure black box' you are describing. Wayland replaces this with a much simpler protocol with multiple independent implementations (notably Mutter/gnome-shell, KWin, wlroots-based ones such as sway, and Smithay-based ones such as niri).

ColonelPhantom commented on GNOME 50 completes the migration to Wayland, dropping X11 backend code linuxiac.com/gnome-50-end... · Posted by u/upofadown

ur-whale · a month ago

> x11 is in maintenance mode at this point and Gnome is not going anywhere

True.

But does not address the fact that Wayland is a bad solution to X11's problems, and that its architecturally broken from inception.

ColonelPhantom · a month ago

I don't think it's true that anything is architecturally or fundamentally broken in Wayland (though if you disagree, I'm very curious what you think is so deeply broken).

Most of the issues and slow adoption were because the core protocol was deliberately kept extremely minimal, and agreeing on all the needed extensions took a long time. Don't take it from me, but rather from KDE developer Nate Graham: https://pointieststick.com/2023/09/17/so-lets-talk-about-thi...

As such, anyone who tried it early probably had to deal with a pretty large amount of non-working stuff, but by now the platform is capable of most features people require and the biggest remaining bottleneck is that software needs to use these new APIs.

ColonelPhantom commented on GNOME 50 completes the migration to Wayland, dropping X11 backend code linuxiac.com/gnome-50-end... · Posted by u/upofadown

graemep · a month ago

The problem is that I find Wayland to be a lot buggier than x11.

For example, terminal transparency using Konsole on KDE flickers for me.

Its nearly there, but not quite. Maybe Gnome has no such issues?

ColonelPhantom · a month ago

Do you have more specifics? I just tried it on my machine (Fedora 42, Plasma 6.5.1 Wayland, Konsole 25.08.2, Radeon 780M) and it seems fine for me. Does it only occur occasionally/under specific circumstances for example?

ColonelPhantom commented on GNOME 50 completes the migration to Wayland, dropping X11 backend code linuxiac.com/gnome-50-end... · Posted by u/upofadown

irthomasthomas · a month ago

And wayland is in broken mode. KDE keep changing the default back to wayland after each update, and every time my linux systems are broken until I switch back to x11.

ColonelPhantom · a month ago

What is broken for you? At this point, starting from roughly KDE 6, Wayland has been pretty much flawless for me. KDE 5.27 was pretty much fine already as well.

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