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Arkhaine_kupo commented on Open models by OpenAI   openai.com/open-models/... · Posted by u/lackoftactics
spongebobstoes · a month ago
I understand. but why this is bad? is there some analysis of the beginning and end locations of the water, and how the utility differs between those locations?
Arkhaine_kupo · a month ago
Hot water disrupts marine life for one very very big problem.

Depending on the locatin of the hot water you can cause disruptions to water currents, the north atlantic waterway is being studied to how much global warming is affecting it.

If greenland melts, and the water doesnt get cold up there, then the mexico current to europe ends and England becomes colder than Canada.

If your AI model has a data center in the atlantic, it could be furthering that issue.

(Millions of animals are also dead)

Arkhaine_kupo commented on Show HN: Use Their ID – Use your local UK MP’s ID for the Online Safety Act   use-their-id.com/... · Posted by u/timje1
Hammershaft · a month ago
Conservatism isn't libertarianism. Conservative parties across the world, including in the anglosphere, often advocate for laws that limit freedom but accomplish ulterior conservative goals.
Arkhaine_kupo · a month ago
> Conservatism isn't libertarianism.

Conservatism is the ideology that some people are protected by the law but not bound by it, while others are bound by the law but not protected by it.

Obviously if you are in the first group that sounds like the best kind of freedom, meanwhile everyone else is unprotected and punished, which makes sense why they would not want that kind of goverment structure.

Arkhaine_kupo commented on Show HN: Use Their ID – Use your local UK MP’s ID for the Online Safety Act   use-their-id.com/... · Posted by u/timje1
0xbadcafebee · a month ago
I think it's fun when the elected government doesn't do what the people who elected them want. Like a middle finger to democracy.
Arkhaine_kupo · a month ago
In america there is 0 corelation between middle class voting preferences and what their elected officials voted for. There is a closer aligment with upper class voters and lobby groups. It is arguable america is not a democracy based on those facts despite nominally voting every few years

https://journalistsresource.org/politics-and-government/the-...

Basically if 0% of americans want a law it has 30% chance of passing, and if 100% of american want a law it has 32% chance of passing. For lobby groups it goes from 0% = 0% to 100% = 65% chance. Much closer to preference based lawmaking.

Arkhaine_kupo commented on VPN use surges in UK as new online safety rules kick in   ft.com/content/356674b0-9... · Posted by u/mmarian
password54321 · a month ago
Well you clearly have a higher sense of awareness and probably intelligence than a lot of other people in the community. I'm just going to let the Russian farm and the easily tricked continue to engage how they want.
Arkhaine_kupo · a month ago
I dont, im a dumbass like everyone else. But im not unaware of the kind of people visit HN or what our achilles heel is. Knowing that far right movements are infiltrating and would like to use me to repeat their viewpoints is something I found worrying and worthy of self reflection.

Your flipant attitude is either lack of self reflection or worse, you are aware of what youre doing and downplaying bad faith dogwhistling.

Arkhaine_kupo commented on VPN use surges in UK as new online safety rules kick in   ft.com/content/356674b0-9... · Posted by u/mmarian
password54321 · a month ago
That's a lot of assumptions in one comment. No one claimed that the far-right is the solution (or at least I didn't) but rather the consequence. HN demographic is not even generally far-right and the agreement comes from the fact that people understood the context of the comment that you just failed to understand.
Arkhaine_kupo · a month ago
> That's a lot of assumptions in one comment

thats the advantage of dogwhistling, is that you can always feign ignorance

> No one claimed that the far-right is the solution (or at least I didn't) but rather the consequence.

the consequence of the far right economic model of hyper individualism? So far right breeds more far right, and calling it out is just "making assumptions"?

> HN demographic is not even generally far-right

It is one of the more susceptible groups to fall for their spell though. HN tends to skew nerdy and libertarian, two groups that think of themselves as intelligent which means if you trick them into thinking something they tend to internalise it because they think they came to the conclusion themselves. It is also a highly targetted demographic by far right groups.

Or do you think its a surprise that the "far left hippie" Sillicon Valley reputation got shredded in a second when half of LA was in Trump's inaguration? We had tech bros in front of elected officials. Crypto, videogames all oriignally very HN areas are all now constantly under threat of "manosphere" influencers, all paid by the same 5 think tanks, and far right billioanires.

> he agreement comes from the fact that people understood the context of the comment

Sure, thats not an assumption, that is you being an all knowing entity that can analyse why 60 people upvoted something. I mean it could be one russian farm pushing for "destroy cultural identity" text recognition as they have been known to do on X and Reddit. Or it can be 60 hyper rational individuals all of which understood the context I clearly seem to miss. But your assumption is right of course.

Just to be clear, I am not accusing you of being far right, you are just repeating their talking points and strategies. If you are doing it on purpose and pretending to be unaware that bad. If you simply are unaware I am explicitely explaining how and why they do and say the things you said and did.

Arkhaine_kupo commented on VPN use surges in UK as new online safety rules kick in   ft.com/content/356674b0-9... · Posted by u/mmarian
password54321 · a month ago
My advice is to read again and try to understand why it hasn't yet been flagged despite being up for hours with now 60 points.
Arkhaine_kupo · a month ago
Sure, let me break it down. You attempted to dress up the point about increased survailance (low trust society -> increaed authoritarianism to control low trust society) which is tangentially related to the VPN regulation, in a number of far right buzz words. that gives it enough cover to not count as flamebait or politics, even though it arguably IS both of them and should be removed.

The guy below you, whom I replied to, is nowhere as good at dogwhistles as you and straight up brought up the boat conversation, which has 0 to do with vpns and honestly its just "build a wall" but for the sea, a conversation so boringly transplanted from american media is almost not wroth discussing.

You bragging about how you manged to say the things you shouldn't by talking around it and how many people either fell for it/or agree with you and know the dogwhistles is not something I would be proud of.

Just to be perfectly clear, the far right is surging because the demands of the lower and middle class are ignored, in serving both old money aristocrats, landlords, media moguls and foreign oligarchs all of which are economical leeches. We are in a post Tatcher "there is no society" world, not in some kind of left kumbaya "we are the world" reality. The far right is up because they thrive in dog whistles and anger like you are riling up, good at burning down Reichstags more than building any sort of succesful society.

Arkhaine_kupo commented on VPN use surges in UK as new online safety rules kick in   ft.com/content/356674b0-9... · Posted by u/mmarian
graemep · a month ago
> This is a very common fallacy repeated by people who are either interested in supporting homeschooling

There are many academic studies, across many countries, that confirm the better results. Your evidence is?

> Meanwhile the hyper religious family wanting their daughter to marry at 16 is not letting that barely literate girl take her SATs.

Not really a thing in the UK, or most places. It might have some truth in the US but sounds like a biased view

On the contrary I credit home education with getting my older daughter into a male dominated career (she designed power electronics for EVs).

> The two groups in favour of home schooling are hyper capitalistists who think the disruption of public schooling

Not really a thing in the UK either. Home educators tend to be social liberals and politically left wing

In fact of the many home educators I have come across very few fit your description.

> with additional socialisation benefits

Because meeting the same people of the same age from the same area in the same place every day for many years is a great way to develop social skills and make a variety of friends.

> although he probably scores average or below prep schools

I went to one of the best schools in Britain academically and my kids got a better academic education (as well as in other ways) than I did.

Arkhaine_kupo · a month ago
> There are many academic studies, across many countries, that confirm the better results. Your evidence is?

All those studies are either paid for by home schooling groups, or report the same fundamental issue in terms of data collection I have mentioned. Also the ones that break down results by socio economic background all highlight that anywhere from lower middle class to lower class homeschooling results always fall under public education.

> Not really a thing in the UK, or most places. It might have some truth in the US but sounds like a biased view

The UK has had a recent surge in homeschooling, in part because of Covid, also in part because of systemic underfunding of schools. But the religious exception was the most credited answer (some marked it under the philosophical reason) for homeschooling up to 2018. It is also underreported for women in some minority communities like travellers, orthodox jews, and some more extreme versions of islam. those girls are "homeschooled", wanna guess how they would do in their GCSE's?

> On the contrary I credit home education with getting my older daughter into a male dominated career (she designed power electronics for EVs).

This kinda highlights my original assumption of people defending it being because they personally believe in it, but credit to your daughter aside, she probably would go and kick ass regardless of the educational establishment or framework. And while you can't run a double blind study, I am not sure why you would think her being in a regular school she would be denied the chance to go into such a prestigious career?

> Not really a thing in the UK either. Home educators tend to be social liberals and politically left wing

> In fact of the many home educators I have come across very few fit your description.

it is important to point out that the biggest movement for homeschooling is evangelical americans, the same group that managed to get the department of education destroyed under Trump. Their propaganda, think tanks and TV news anchors distribute, enable and control the conversation borderline globally. The UK in comparison has a relatively small home schooling population (despite its recent uptick).

Also home schooling groups tend to be self contained, if you are socially liberal and go find other home schooling parents, you will find your neighbours and people who visit the same in person or online resurces (libraries, websites, forums etc). If you were a hyper religious person who did not believe your daughter should learn to read, you would report that most of the homeschooling parents you have met believe the exact same things you do. It is, by design, not an ideology that promotes everyone being under the same umbrella.

> Because meeting the same people of the same age from the same area in the same place every day for many years is a great way to develop social skills and make a variety of friends.

Almost every study tends to think so, yes. Support networks are important for humans, having people who face the same challenges (puberty, a math test on friday) and that are reliably reachable (same schedule, same place) means kids can learn things like trust, collaboration, loyalty etc organically.

This skills are not impossible to develop elsewhere, in the same way you can learn math elsewhere. But those benefits are not non existant.

> I went to one of the best schools in Britain academically and my kids got a better academic education

Yes, and your grandkids, if you ever have them, will get a better education that your kids regardless of where they study. Because education improves, resources improve, attention to kids increased over the last generation. You and I probably run around all afternoon with our parents not caring were we were, our teachers had not refreshed their knowledge since they got their degrees. Nowadays with things like the internet, Pluto stops being a planet mid school year and the kids get that info asap. Instead of a priest slapping kids like when I was a kid, there is a comprehensive "Religions of the world" curriculum were kids suddenly know tons of greek mythology, buddhisim, islam and plenty of christianity from early sects, to modern catholic, protestant and orthodox divisions. None of that was taught when I was a kid, so of course kids are better off now, as they should be. But that would happen regardless of where your kids learn I think.

The drawbacks of homeschooling for the whole of society I think are too large for any individual benefit. The lowest dregs denying their kids food or basic knowledge, conspiracy theorists denying reality to their children, abusive parents being unchecked, religious fundamentalists not allowing their kids to interact with whats beyond their control... disrupting all that and having kids be together, the same, and learning about different people and following the same curriculum I think is valuable.

I have a very similar career to your daughter, and my first interactin with kids being homeschooled was in an international math olympiad. Some of the kids I met had real hung ups about socialising, and I promise you they would have been just as good as calculus if they had gone to any normal school and just did a lil extra in the afternoon like I did. Growing up and doing some research on think tanks and who was funding what, the people promoting homeschooling had some pretty awful ideas about society and where everyone should fit in it. So while I would never judge any individual parent, there are plenty of good reasons to do it, I am keenly aware that most of the material coming out in support is not always coming from good faith sources.

Arkhaine_kupo commented on VPN use surges in UK as new online safety rules kick in   ft.com/content/356674b0-9... · Posted by u/mmarian
logicchains · a month ago
>with teh extreme being homeschooling failing every time its attempted.

I don't know where this is coming from; statistically speaking, homeschooled children do better on pretty much every educational outcome. Because the absolute number one factor determining student outcomes is the ratio of students to teachers; the fewer students per teacher, the better.

Arkhaine_kupo · a month ago
This is a very common fallacy repeated by people who are either interested in supporting homeschooling, or haven't thought much about the subject.

The most telling stats is that the percentage of homeschooling parents increases, specially in religious communities but the test takers in homeschooled scenarios almost always come from higher educated urban families.

There is a large case of selectin bias, in a public school every kid takes an SAT test. For homeschooled kids, the kid of two doctors who was homeschooled and aces tests for breakfast he takes teh SAT and smokes any underfunded public school near him (although he probably scores average or below prep schools that cost arguably less than his homeschooling, with additional socialisation benefits etc). Meanwhile the hyper religious family wanting their daughter to marry at 16 is not letting that barely literate girl take her SATs.

The two groups in favour of home schooling are hyper capitalistists who think the disruption of public schooling + their advantage will make their kid unstopable, and the niche fringe believes, usually religious who are scared of interacting with mainstream institutions for fear of disrupting their reality. Both are problematic, anti social and harmful groups and their over representation in goverment and media is largely a sympton of the inability of liberal institutions to fight against illiberal threats.

Arkhaine_kupo commented on VPN use surges in UK as new online safety rules kick in   ft.com/content/356674b0-9... · Posted by u/mmarian
hollerith · a month ago
If we are going to start discouraging tangents on HN, which would be a drastic change, we're not going to do it selectively for topics you don't want to see discussed.
Arkhaine_kupo · a month ago
>If we are going to start discouraging tangents on HN, which would be a drastic change

This is straight from the guidelines

"Please don't use Hacker News for political or ideological battle. It tramples curiosity. "

Bringing up immigration policy in regards to a new internet identification legislation seems less like a "discourageable tangent" and more of an "overt breaking of one of the few enforceable rules of the site"

Arkhaine_kupo commented on VPN use surges in UK as new online safety rules kick in   ft.com/content/356674b0-9... · Posted by u/mmarian
fennecbutt · a month ago
It's a valid topic for discussion. Even as a foreigner who was in UK on a visa and eventually got ilr I'm still concerned about it.

The current situation regarding small boats is not sustainable, particularly when it's proven that the majority are not fleeing persecution but are economic migrants. They're taking advantage of a system designed to help people in trouble, how could you defend that?

And when does it end? Will the UK always accept small boats ad infinitum?

I played by the (harsh) rules and got here legitimately. Why should I have bothered.

Arkhaine_kupo · a month ago
> It's a valid topic for discussion

not on a thread about vpn useage

> The current situation regarding small boats is not sustainable

the current situation regarding small boats is the inevitable conclusion to a badly implemented brexit policy and a negligent tory party rule over 13 years. Startmer took 5 months in power to talk to France and have them agree to tackle it on their side of the water. Also no brexit, no boats. The anti immigration chest thumpers caused the problem and then scurried like rats. Farage was impossible to be found the year after brexit won, dude aws the face and suddenly wanted to part of the "glory"

u/Arkhaine_kupo

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