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AftHurrahWinch commented on AI-induced dehumanization (2024)   myscp.onlinelibrary.wiley... · Posted by u/walterbell
virtualbluesky · 11 days ago
Ad hominem may require a human on the receiving end, no?
AftHurrahWinch · 7 days ago
If a parrot squawks, "1,345 multiplied by 785 equals 1,055,825", you would be logically and factually incorrect to say 'Well, that's wrong because how would a bird know".

The historical meaning of the word 'hominem' isn't crucial to the universal logical principle of 'ad hominem'. If xenoorganisms beneath the ice-sheets of Titan are dismissing each other's ideas out of hand, they too may be committing this fallacy. The fallacy is the rejection of an argument based on its source rather than its content.

AftHurrahWinch commented on AI-induced dehumanization (2024)   myscp.onlinelibrary.wiley... · Posted by u/walterbell
foobiekr · 11 days ago
The problem is the bullshit asymmetry and engaging in good faith.

AI users aren’t investing actual work and can generate reams if bullshit that puts three burden on others to untangle. And they also aren’t engaging in good faith.

AftHurrahWinch · 11 days ago
Some discussions are dialectic, where a group is cooperatively reasoning toward a shared truth. In dialectical discussions, good faith is crucial. AI can't participate in dialectical work. Most public discourse is not dialectical, it is rhetorical. The goal is to persuade the audience, not your interlocutor. You aren't "yelling into the void", you're advocating to the jury.

Rhetoric is the model used in debate. Proponents don't expect to change their Opponent's mind, and vice versa. In fact, if your opponent is obstinate (or a non-sentient text generator), it is easier to demonstrate the strength of your position to the gallery.

People reference Brandolini's "bullshit asymmetry principle" but don't differentiate between dialectical and rhetorical contexts. In a rhetorical context, the strategy is to demonstrate to the audience that your interlocutor is generating text with an indifference to truth. You can then pivot, forcing them to defend their method rather than making you debunk their claims.

AftHurrahWinch commented on AI-induced dehumanization (2024)   myscp.onlinelibrary.wiley... · Posted by u/walterbell
SkyeCA · 11 days ago
Unfortunately it's the correct thing to do. Just like in the past where you shouldn't have believed any stories told on the internet, it's now reasonable to assume any image/text you come across wasn't created by a human, or in the case of images is simply an event that never happened.

The easiest way to protect myself these days is to assume the worst about all content. Why am I replying to a comment in that case? Consider it a case yelling into the void.

AftHurrahWinch · 11 days ago
1. A bot-generated argument is still an argument. I can't make claims about the truth or falsity based on the enunciator, that's simply ad hominem.

2. A bot-generated image is not a record of photon-emissions in the physical world. When I look at photos, they need to be records of the physical world, or they're a creative work.

I think you can't rationally apply the same standard to these 2 things.

AftHurrahWinch commented on Ex-Waymo engineers launch Bedrock Robotics to automate construction   techcrunch.com/2025/07/16... · Posted by u/boulos
kevinmpeterson · a month ago
We’re mostly focused on the AI and software side of things. There are many great manufacturers for the machines themselves. We have amazing hardware engineers, so if we need to do structural work for our parts, we will. At the moment it’s not core.
AftHurrahWinch · a month ago
Structural Engineer is a type of Civil Engineer.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Structural_engineering

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AftHurrahWinch commented on "We're Definitely Going to Build a Bunker Before We Release AGI"   theatlantic.com/technolog... · Posted by u/mdp2021
AftHurrahWinch · 3 months ago
Similarly, Yudkowsky and Soares of the Singularity Institute have a new book out: "If Anyone Builds It, Everyone Dies"

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43999734

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AftHurrahWinch commented on Why I'm resigning from the National Science Foundation   time.com/7285045/resignin... · Posted by u/jbegley
AftHurrahWinch · 3 months ago
That is a factually inaccurate description of the role of federal agencies under Chevron deference. Chevron deference was a legal doctrine that required courts to defer to reasonable agency interpretations of ambiguous statutes, not a mechanism that allowed career civil servants to unilaterally create criminal laws. Federal agencies could only issue regulations within the authority explicitly delegated by Congress, and these regulations were subject to judicial review, public notice-and-comment periods, and Congressional oversight.
AftHurrahWinch commented on Amazon's Vulcan Robots Now Stow Items Faster Than Humans   spectrum.ieee.org/amazon-... · Posted by u/Luc
matthewfelgate · 4 months ago
Are companies designing product packaging to be more compatible with robotic handling?
AftHurrahWinch · 4 months ago
Anecdotally, I know of 2 examples of friends who work in traditional manufacturing who have changed packaging graphics and colors because their previous designs were difficult for optics.

Specifically, both of them had to stop using black-colored boxes and move graphics in from box boundaries.

u/AftHurrahWinch

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