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202508042147 commented on Euro firms must ditch Uncle Sam's clouds and go EU-native   theregister.com/2026/01/3... · Posted by u/jamesblonde
severino · 9 days ago
> Hopefully the same app will work there...

That's the problem: currently many of those banking apps in the EU require having a phone with Google Play services and other "security" stuff that makes you reliant on American companies, like the post you're replying to claims.

202508042147 · 9 days ago
Now that the cat is out of the bag, I am confident that those banking apps will (eventually) work without the likes of Google Play Services. Additionally, what i really want is an alternative to Visa/Mastercard, meaning I can use it for renting a car or paying online.

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202508042147 commented on Euro firms must ditch Uncle Sam's clouds and go EU-native   theregister.com/2026/01/3... · Posted by u/jamesblonde
_tk_ · 9 days ago
Take a look here: https://wero-wallet.eu/
202508042147 · 9 days ago
Looking forward having this in the country where I live and in the countries I mostly travel to! Well, actually all over EU.

What is unclear to me atm, is it possible to rent a car using wero? Also, can I pay online with it?

202508042147 commented on Euro firms must ditch Uncle Sam's clouds and go EU-native   theregister.com/2026/01/3... · Posted by u/jamesblonde
koe123 · 9 days ago
I wonder if we can tariff digital services. EU is behind partially because US eats all investment. Protectionism is an option.
202508042147 · 9 days ago
I wouldn't go this way, at least not now. But the European Commission should mandate the usage of EU based software for every public institution in the EU, at all levels. That means from the European Parliament all the way down to municipalities. So no more Windows, Office, Azure, AWS etc. in public institutions all across the EU.
202508042147 commented on Euro firms must ditch Uncle Sam's clouds and go EU-native   theregister.com/2026/01/3... · Posted by u/jamesblonde
bborud · 9 days ago
Well, if the Zastava had 5-10x the amount of horsepower and storage space of the BYD for the same amount of money. Because that’s what is often the reality. Bare metal is unreasonably efficient compared to cloud services for not that much more know-how.

I do tech DD work for investment funds etc and one thing I often see are slow, complex and expensive AWS-heavy architectures that optimize for problems the company doesn’t have and often will never have. In theory to ensure stability and scalability. They are usually expensive and have nightmarish configuration complexity.

In practice complexity tends to lead to more outages and performance issues than if you had a much simpler (rented) bare metal setup with some spare capacity and better architecture design. More than half of serious outages I have seen documented in these reviews came from configuration mistakes or bugs in software that is supposed to manage your resources.

Nevermind that companies invest serious amounts of time in trying to manage complexity rather than remove it.

A few years ago I worked for a company that had two competing systems. One used AWS sparingly: just EC2, S3, RDS and load balancers. The other went berserk in the AWS candy shop and was this monstrosity that used 20-something different AWS services glued together by lambdas. This was touted as “the future”, and everyone who didn’t think it was a good idea was an idiot.

The simple solution cost about the same to run for a few thousand (business customers) as the complex one cost for ONE customer. The simple solution cost about 1/20 to develop. It also had about 1/2500 the latency on average because it wasn’t constantly enqueuing and dequeueing data through a slow SQS maze of queues.

And best of all: you could move the simpler solution to bare metal servers. In fact, we ran all the testing on clusters of 6 RPIs. The complex solution was stuck in AWS forever.

202508042147 · 9 days ago
+1 for bare metal! I wish I could convince more C level people that that's what we need most of the time.
202508042147 commented on Euro firms must ditch Uncle Sam's clouds and go EU-native   theregister.com/2026/01/3... · Posted by u/jamesblonde
ExoticPearTree · 9 days ago
I like it how everyone says that, but there is no european cloud operator able to offer what AWS/GCP/Azure offer. And if you are a start-up and you want to grow, the situation is even more dire.

And without a few hundreds of billions of EUR invested _today_ there will still be at least a decade until basic infrastructure will be somewhat on par with current day hyperscalers from the US.

And Office suite wise, it took Google about 15 years of pouring money into Google Docs to be almost as good as the MS offering.

Today, if for political reasons some EU companies will switch to whatever Europe has to offer in terms of cloud computing, they will need to spend a significant amount of money to retool their day to day pipelines and invest into developing or replacing cloud services with alternatives from the new provider or self-host if there is no native offering.

There’s a chance that the current situation will start to resolve itself in 3 years and we go back to normal, however that might look.

202508042147 · 9 days ago
> And if you are a start-up and you want to grow, the situation is even more dire.

I worked for/with several European startups. They really didn't need nor aim for planet scale operations.

There are also quite a lot of articles about how startups (in any country) focus needlesly on large scalability when they only really have a few customers. It's exactly the same false issue here.

202508042147 commented on Euro firms must ditch Uncle Sam's clouds and go EU-native   theregister.com/2026/01/3... · Posted by u/jamesblonde
Imustaskforhelp · 9 days ago
We have UPI in India and it's pretty Robust.

My brother actually was part of deal in talks to have UPI pilots as a project within London as a project within his college and I remember him talking about how UPI (India) is in talks with other European countries too.

With the mother of all deals recently signed between EU and India. I sincerely hope that UPI can have access within EU markets too.

If you ever come to India, you can witness the astronomical rise of UPI. From street vendors to literally everybody now has UPI and it has 0 fees and is really great/one of the best.

As for our brazillian friends, I have heard that pix is great too and I have respect to pix as well plus its open source as well. Both Pix and UPI are really great.

202508042147 · 9 days ago
Yes, there are local alternatives like Pix here as well, but they only work in the same country. I need something that works across EU countries, like wero. I also need something that works on every site when I buy online and I can also use it when renting a car. So a real Visa/Mastercard alternative.
202508042147 commented on Euro firms must ditch Uncle Sam's clouds and go EU-native   theregister.com/2026/01/3... · Posted by u/jamesblonde
andsoitis · 9 days ago
> Last week I migrated our db away from AWS RDS to a European cloud provider. Everything runs fine and we also have it cheaper!

If I may ask, why didn't you choose the cheaper option before? What do you think you're trading off, if anything?

202508042147 · 9 days ago
Going with the default, we were already using other services from them.
202508042147 commented on Euro firms must ditch Uncle Sam's clouds and go EU-native   theregister.com/2026/01/3... · Posted by u/jamesblonde
tmtvl · 9 days ago
> yes, I can use an app to pay

So you move the power from two American companies (Visa and Mastercard) to two American companies (Apple and Google)? What's that supposed to solve?

Also, fuck apps. I had to set up an app for my mother to recharge her new hybrid car and I am not joking: at one point I had to create a log in for her and was greeted by a screen with two options: Log In (blue button, white text), and Log In (white button, blue text). I would rather use cash than an app (and I'm in Belgium, carrying around cash is like herding sheep through coyote territory).

202508042147 · 9 days ago
> So you move the power from two American companies (Visa and Mastercard) to two American companies (Apple and Google)? What's that supposed to solve?

Unsure what you mean, but for context I use an app developed by a consortium of local banks and it works by scanning a QR code. Indeed, I use an Android phone but my next one will be a de-googled one like a Fairphone with /e/OS. Hopefully the same app will work there...

202508042147 commented on Euro firms must ditch Uncle Sam's clouds and go EU-native   theregister.com/2026/01/3... · Posted by u/jamesblonde
ExoticPearTree · 9 days ago
I like it how everyone says that, but there is no european cloud operator able to offer what AWS/GCP/Azure offer. And if you are a start-up and you want to grow, the situation is even more dire.

And without a few hundreds of billions of EUR invested _today_ there will still be at least a decade until basic infrastructure will be somewhat on par with current day hyperscalers from the US.

And Office suite wise, it took Google about 15 years of pouring money into Google Docs to be almost as good as the MS offering.

Today, if for political reasons some EU companies will switch to whatever Europe has to offer in terms of cloud computing, they will need to spend a significant amount of money to retool their day to day pipelines and invest into developing or replacing cloud services with alternatives from the new provider or self-host if there is no native offering.

There’s a chance that the current situation will start to resolve itself in 3 years and we go back to normal, however that might look.

202508042147 · 9 days ago
MS advantage over Google docs was exactly what US cloud providers have over everyone else: lock-in.

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