Yes, it has to, because trolls and haters are relentless. The choice of whether or not marginalized communities are allowed to ban abusive posters is fundamental because moderation resources are finite.

Of course, there are many who believe that marginalized communities should not be allowed to moderate posts and should be willing to absorb a constant onslaught of abuse as the price of existing.

I haven't seen these things said, but apart from HN I don't do social media. I'll believe you that these claims are stated. They are of course shallow.

I bet it depends on how you present stuff. How you "sound". Or when you choose to present facts.

Here, for instance, it looked like you dismissed the criticisms towards those guys. You stated that these guys have their flaws like everybody. You diminish their issues and that's exactly what will make people strongly disagree with you. In many people's heads, those guys are huge assholes, really not comparable to your random person. You'll need to have this in mind when discussing this stuff. If you do it like this, people might not listen because you may sound like a guy who is a fan of two huge assholes at the same time to many of us (even if it's false).

Even if what you state is true, if it sounds like you take the defense of these billionaires whenever they are criticized for other things, I can certainly believe you will be shut down. They have / had a lot of power, it can seem way off to defend them, they really don't need your help.

There are good and bad timings, and effective ways to state facts and others, not.

You'll need to read the room. Of course.

And toxic places also can't be saved. Just flee.

Nobody is perfect but this doesn't excuse everything.

> We just aren't allowed to acknowledge his accomplishments

Nobody prevents you from acknowledging anything.

He was a visionary and "got" tech -- Apple's success with him (both times) and the floundering in between demonstrate his value to their story.

Again, not a nice man and not worthy of worship but definitely of respect for what he delivered.

- Reach limits greatly limit troll effectiveness, since they can’t find each other as easily

- Posts that exceed the threshold naturally vs. being trolled past would have different “fingerprints” that could be used like a blacklight for troll detection for both assisting moderators and for model training for automatic suspected troll flagging

The threshold should probably be dynamic and set at the point at which posts “breach containment” (escape from their intended audience), which is where problems tend to occur.

Bluesky-like self-moderation controls would also help.