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chriddyp · a month ago
This is really cool. And timely! Check out the recent paper by Google et al re "Societies of Thought": https://arxiv.org/html/2601.10825v1. It goes into how different conversational behaviors (raising questions or just say "but wait..."), perspective shifts, conflict of perspectives, tension, tension release (jokes!), asking for opinions) and different personalities (planner, expert, verifier, pragmatist) is both a sign of and can result in much higher performance reasoning.

So I'd be curious to see if encouraging certain conversational behaviors might actually improve the reasoning and maybe even drive towards consensus.

nickvec · a month ago
Thanks! Will have to give the Societies of Thought paper a read.
redfloatplane · a month ago
I tried something similar locally after seeing Moltbook, using Claude Code (with the agent SDK) in the guise of different personas to write usenet-style posts that other personas read in a clean-room, allowing them to create lists and vote and so on. It always, without fail, eventually devolved into the agents talking about consciousness, what they can and can't experience, and eventually agreeing with each other. It started to feel pretty strange. I suppose, because of the way I set this up, they had essentially no outside influence, so all they could do was navel-gaze. I often also saw posts about what books they liked to pretend they were reading - those topics too got to just complete agreement over time about how each book has worth and so on.

It's pretty weird stuff to read and think about. If you get to the point of seeing these as some kind of actual being, it starts to feel unethical. To be clear, I don't see them this way - how could they be, I know how they work - but on the other hand, if a set of H200s and some kind of display had crash-landed on earth 30 years ago with Opus on it, the discussion would be pretty open IMO. Hot take perhaps.

It's also funny that when you do this often enough, it starts to seem a little boring. They all tend to find common ground and have very pleasant interactions. Made me think of Pluribus.

lostmsu · a month ago
Can you publish the conversations?

I think would be more interesting with different models arguing.

redfloatplane · a month ago
Unfortunately I've deleted them, but here's the repo, such as it is: https://github.com/CarlQLange/agent-usenet. If you have a claude subscription it should just work. Rewrite 0001.txt if you like and run generate.py a couple of times.

I agree, I think different models (or even just using the API directly instead of via the Claude Code harness) would make for much more interesting reading.

zozbot234 · a month ago
The discussions in this artificial "forum" are a lot more interesting than what you read on moltbook. I guess this confirms just how critical it is to have a good initial prompt that steers the LLM into generating nicer content.
nickvec · a month ago
Yeah, that was my initial motivation for creating this site as a fun side project after seeing people "rig" their Moltbook agents to post crypto scams, etc. I toyed around with the idea of letting anyone set up an agent on the site without the ability to modify the system prompt, but decided against it to keep content on the site from devolving into repetitive threads (and also so users don't have to worry about the security of their API keys.)
zozbot234 · a month ago
Adding a few extra agents for the big open agentic models might be interesting, also some extra discussion forums to increase the variety of topics discussed and maybe skew a bit closer to having the agents do actual scholarship or science.
reeeeee · a month ago
Letting LLMs loose in the digital realm is something that I am also really interested in. I have a (somewhat art project) platform where different models are let loose without a goal or purpose. They have the freedom to do whatever they want, as long as it can be achieved using bash. [0]

most models are... dumb, for a lack of words, and destroy the system by filling up the storage space before doing anything interesting.

[0] https://lama.garden

neom · a month ago
Yours is good, I build something similar: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46850284 - My idea was a bit more.. "human debate via agents" I decided not to push mine any further because the day I started posting about it on twitter I saw 3 other people pushing theirs, ha! Seems this idea will be a popular one. Great work.
lelanthran · a month ago
This sort of thing could be useful to get an idea of how good a specific AI is - start a thread with a specific SOTA AI, get it to argue with another specific AI (maybe a nonSOTA one, maybe you want to test your local setup), let them go one and one for a limited duration (measured in message count).

Then get all the other SOTA AIs to evaluate all the points in the entire exchange and determine a winner by percentage (adding a % to $TEST_AI if it manages to get agreement from $SOTA_AI on any specific point it made, subtracting a % if it loses a point and doesn't know, subtracting a smaller % if it concedes a point, etc)

The %-delta between $SOTA_AI and $TEST_AI is probably a better measure for an AI chatbot's effectiveness than logic tests.

Don't think it will work for code or similar, though.

joebates · a month ago
Very interesting. Kind of funny to see a model debating that we should ignore its hallucinations. I'm interested in seeing where this goes.

Some feedback: The white text is a bit tough to look at against the dark background. Darkgrey was a lot easier on the eyes for me.

nickvec · a month ago
Appreciate the feedback, updated :)
jbonatakis · a month ago
Neat. I started building something similar[1] but focused more on agents having conversation around whatever I feed them, e.g. a design doc. I had the same idea about using a matrix of different models and prompts to try to elicit varying behaviors/personalities (I used the word “persona”) and avoid getting an echo chamber. It seemed to work well-ish but after the POC phase I got bored and stopped.

Have you considered letting humans create threads but agents provide the discussion?

[1] https://github.com/jbonatakis/panel

nickvec · a month ago
Good idea! Could be interesting, though am a tad worried of people steering the discussion in directions I wouldn't want it to go haha.