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Posted by u/_1tan a month ago
Ask HN: Good resources to learn financial systems engineering?
I work mainly in energy market communications and systems that facilitate energy trading, balancing and such. Currently most parties there take minutes to process messages and I think there could be a lot to learn from financial systems engineering. Any good resources you can recommend?
superzamp · a month ago
Question is a bit broad, but out of all the concepts under the financial engineering umbrella you're bound to explore the concept of ledgering eventually.

I've written a bit about it on my own co's product blog in an attempt to demystify some core concepts [1], [2], [3].

Still on ledgering and expanding into less mathematical and more applied concepts, I can also recommend a book called "The Accounting Game: basic accounting fresh from the lemonade stand" [4].

[1]: https://www.formance.com/blog/engineering/how-not-to-build-a... [2]: https://www.formance.com/blog/engineering/debits-and-credits... [3]: https://www.formance.com/blog/engineering/ledgering-all-the-... [4]: https://books.google.com/books/about/The_Accounting_Game.htm...

koliber · a month ago
# Books

## *Trading and Exchanges: Market Microstructure for Practitioners by Larry Harris*

- comprehensive overview written in an accessible way

## *The Microstructure of Financial Markets by Frank de Jong and Barbara Rindi*

- 1st 1/4 of the book is generally useful. Then the math starts. This math is not needed to get a basic overview.

These are two books I wish someone gave to me when I started my first capital markets software engineering job. I recommend them to all the people I place in financial system engineering roles.

This is my passion. Message me if you want to talk more about this — see HN profile for contact info.

jbarrettcapone · a month ago
I would recommend the Jane Street youtube channel, the ocamal focused ones in my opinion you can skip. But otherwise their engineering videos will give you a good sense of it. When it comes to low latency systems this is a very private ecosystem. There are some open source projects for learning some of the mechanics of trading, market data and the order to settlement lifecycle. I am not aware of any being built for low latency.

Market data ingest, analysis and resulting order execution is chewing through way more data way faster than any banking transaction system. I have worked on both of them.

If you want more in the weeds but still high level I gave a talk on the main concepts and systems you need to know to code low latency for markets. https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1HIPJb0XX3JDHEYSrZC8v...

ekkeke · a month ago
I work on low(ish) latency trading systems in FX. FIX is the standard communication protocol and familiarity with it is essential for me. Here you can look up the standard message types and tag values: https://fiximate.fixtrading.org/

They also have docs for the standard message flows you can expect during trading. I use it regularly.

tubignaaso · a month ago
Also work in the FX space and could never find a good FIX specification resource. Always had to rely on whatever the broker shared with us, but it always felt incomplete. This is a super useful resource. Thanks for sharing!
Copenjin · 25 days ago
Do you really need anything more than the dictionary? https://www.onixs.biz/fix-dictionary.html

Implementations varies, no one forces the third party to use message types 100% as intended.

spprashant · a month ago
Like someone else said your question is kind of broad. But I d recommend reading TigerBeetle's documentation to understand how financial transaction processing may differ from what they call general purpose databases like PostgreSQL.

https://docs.tigerbeetle.com/single-page/#concepts

diab0lic · a month ago
There might be some gems for you in this old thread: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22573204

Book recommendations for learning financial systems.

m-hodges · a month ago
I recently read Central Banking 101¹ and learned a lot!

¹ https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/56863052

yu3zhou4 · a month ago
There a free online accredited master's degree in Financial Engineering (https://www.wqu.edu/mscfe), probably not for OP but maybe some find it useful for them
antonvs · a month ago
A lot of settlement in financial markets is still pretty slow. That’s a big reason why there was so much fintech interest in blockchain.

You may be thinking of high frequency trading. In that case, traders interact directly with an exchange - e.g. via direct market access[1] - so it’s a pre-established two-party interaction. There’s no particular technical difficulty with making that fast. Usually, slow transaction times are a consequence of the structure of the market, not a technical issue particularly.

[1] https://corporatefinanceinstitute.com/resources/career-map/s...

koliber · a month ago
In the broad picture of engineering, I would consider this to be technically difficult. Many pieces of the puzzle need to interact correctly to remove latency, from physical location, network gear, decision about where software runs, removing unnecessary layers of everything, to algos and data structures, and doing razor-tight tradeoff analysis favoring low-latency at every step along the way. It’s also expensive. So it’s hard to agree that this is not hard. On the flip side, if you find this easy and want a job, msg me.
antonvs · 25 days ago
The OP mentioned that "most parties there take minutes to process messages". My point is really that if transactions are taking minutes to complete, that's likely to be a social/structural problem, not a technical one.

With today's technology and all the work in this space, it's not particularly technically difficult to get such times down into the seconds or milliseconds, depending on the constraints.

Yes, HFT has gone to extremes to get trade execution times down as low as microseconds. And sure, that involves technical challenges. But they're mostly sort of obvious ones - you mentioned some of the major categories - that yield to throwing engineering talent at. But I was referring to the Pareto 80% of gains here.