Tesla's sales target is now to have sold 20 million cars in total by 2035. That's fewer cars in total in what will then be the 32 year history of the company than Toyota sold in the last two years:
Part of this is down to musk being an obnoxious prick, but a larger part is down to teslas not actually being innovative, cheap or high quality enough any more.
They look dated, or weird, have patchy customer service, and are not even that long range anymore.
I think the model s, model 3 or the previous model y look great.
The recent model y looks terrible, like a duck.
And the ergonomics are cheap and dangerous.
Removing turn signal stalks, drive select stalks is dangerous. I like the idea of buttons, but turn signal buttons? buttons on a moving steering wheel? and the rest of the critical controls buried on a touchscreen? inside door handles? ugh.
They are all over Berlin as rentals, which you can rent from your phone, and pay per kilometer. People can test drive them easily, and they are not super nice cars. We much prefer the Audis, Toyotas, and Volkswagens that are also in the pool.
It'll be interesting to see how this plays out. Tesla has been way, way overvalued for a very long time. If that starts to change I suspect it'll change very quickly and Musk's status might see a dramatic change.
You could say that about a lot of companies right now to be honest. It’s kind of wild how detached from reality some stocks are. But there’s no denying that Tesla is one of the most egregious examples.
Elon promised too much (self driving cars coming next month, this time for real), and the market has realized that after the 25th promise, he‘s not going to deliver.
Also, Elon should have stick to cars and rockets. His venturing into politics, and into media (with buying X) didn’t help him either. He got demystified, and demolished his image of a super focused half-einstein, half-edison. Now more of an half-Trump. And that didn’t help his car sales either.
We know why the decline is happening. However, I am more curious to see how long people's memory will last. Also a little surprised that there isn't a whole lot of decline in the US.
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The main problem with Musk's proposed pay deal is that he still gets paid billions even if he continues to fail:
https://www.reuters.com/legal/transactional/musks-record-tes...
Tesla's sales target is now to have sold 20 million cars in total by 2035. That's fewer cars in total in what will then be the 32 year history of the company than Toyota sold in the last two years:
https://www.nytimes.com/2025/09/05/business/elon-musk-tesla-...
Tesla's target used to be 20 million per year:
https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/tesla-...
But Tesla's board doesn't care. They got theirs:
https://www.nytimes.com/2025/05/13/business/tesla-stock-sale...
https://www.afr.com/technology/life-changing-wealth-stopped-...
They look dated, or weird, have patchy customer service, and are not even that long range anymore.
The recent model y looks terrible, like a duck.
And the ergonomics are cheap and dangerous.
Removing turn signal stalks, drive select stalks is dangerous. I like the idea of buttons, but turn signal buttons? buttons on a moving steering wheel? and the rest of the critical controls buried on a touchscreen? inside door handles? ugh.
They look terrible. They looked terrible when they came out 13, 8 and 5 years ago and they have aged very poorly.
Yet (salute + support for ADF party) * touchy german history = auto non-grata.
And it seems that until now, Tesla sales in Eu are 30% less than last year [1]
There is more competition, finally.
[0]: https://www.benzinga.com/tech/25/01/43092840/tesla-struggles...
[1]: https://electrek.co/2025/11/03/tesla-tsla-keeps-getting-batt...
15,595 (Tesla) vs. 15,171 (BYD)
TSLA is not down 50% YTD. Its up this year so far.
Can you show the math that shows it down 50% YTD?
> The number of Teslas sold in the January-October period dropped 50.4% to 15,595 units, compared with the same period last year.
> The number of Teslas sold in the January-October period dropped 50.4% to 15,595 units, compared with the same period last year.
YoY is -50%.
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Also, Elon should have stick to cars and rockets. His venturing into politics, and into media (with buying X) didn’t help him either. He got demystified, and demolished his image of a super focused half-einstein, half-edison. Now more of an half-Trump. And that didn’t help his car sales either.