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davidw · 6 months ago
An important point that emerged is also that the administration - at its discretion - can also waive the fee.

Just more corruption and leverage to push companies to do their bidding. Just rancid stuff.

ochronus · 6 months ago
I wonder what kind of "gifts" companies will need to give the administration to earn such favors
spwa4 · 6 months ago
This sort of rule is extremely common in EU legislation. GPDR, for example, only allows standing in court for governments. You don't get to sue for your GPDR rights, you can only beg the government if your rights got violated (not the police, not the courts, not parliament, the executive). Or "the minister" as they say here. In practice this means the ministry of justice has an office, which has nothing to do with the judicial system, and you can send a letter to them. Of course this means governments and favored companies are effectively not bound by the GPDR.
LargoLasskhyfv · 6 months ago
Simple. 'Pixelize' the windows of their HQs to show giant portraits of Trump at night by lighting them up accordingly.
fabian2k · 6 months ago
It is actually possible to change the rules with sufficient notice period and to write enough details that people have a chance to understand exactly how the rules will change.

They're not doing that. This is a choice they are making.

Havoc · 6 months ago
A continuous series of overreach and calibrate the amount of rollback needed based on response makes sense if you're keen to push things to the limit society will bear without rioting

>This is a choice they are making.

yup

Dead Comment

gadders · 6 months ago
Yes, the choice is to prioritise American software developers when a lot are out of work.

It seems eminently sensible to stop cheap labour from abroad in such a situation.

DarkNova6 · 6 months ago
What is more likely? Strengthen local software building capabilities or do more offshoring?
nxobject · 6 months ago
The choice is also to deprive health shortage areas of doctors, and academic institutions of scholars, but keeping tech happy and screwing over health and research isn’t new either the administration.
cmxch · 6 months ago
The trouble is that also gives a period to understand how to circumvent the law or capture the regulation.
afiori · 6 months ago
I was always a fan of the Wheel of Law where every week a random law is selected and tweaked by chatGPT.

If you do not know the laws of tommorow you cannot game them and also makes long term planning way more exciting.

rayiner · 6 months ago
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mips_avatar · 6 months ago
It was interesting how Microsoft basically directly got called out in the white house brief "One software company was approved for over 5,000 H-1B workers in FY 2025; around the same time, it announced a series of layoffs totaling more than 15,000 employees."
breadwinner · 6 months ago
That would be surprising if developers were fungible. You can have a surplus of web developers (whom you lay off) while at the same time have a shortage of AI talent. Those web developers can't be hired in to the openings for AI talent.
ndriscoll · 6 months ago
I would be surprised if programmers couldn't generally quickly pick up a new domain. I presume we're not talking 5,000 people doing heavy research (wouldn't that be O-1 anyway?), and I don't see how product development work becomes more complicated when you call it AI. e.g. you don't need a PhD to hook calls to a model into VS Code or to build the API and infrastructure around calling the model or data pipelines or all the other 90% of actually making it useful.

I wouldn't call developers fungible, but certainly good developers are adaptable.

mips_avatar · 6 months ago
None of us knew how to finetune a model 18 months ago, we learned. This idea that what you've done in the past is all you can do is such a dumb big tech idea that needs to die.
OptionOfT · 6 months ago
I come from a country where you'd basically have to prove that the people you laid off could not be retrained to do the new roles.

If anything, what is the difference between an employee and a contractor if you can just terminate them once you're done with them?

geye1234 · 6 months ago
That's not what's happening though.
cmxch · 6 months ago
Retrain or pay them until they can replace their lost salary, contingents and contractors broadly included.
BurningFrog · 6 months ago
Most MS employees aren't even engineers!
truncate · 6 months ago
Out those 15,000 employees how many were on VISA? They are acting like all 15k employees were US citizens and were replaced by h-1b employees.

Quite convenient to show the data such that it serves a narrative and hide the details.

afiori · 6 months ago
Also it could have been completely different and incompatible roles
Readerium · 6 months ago
So was intel in the following sentence.
sigmar · 6 months ago
axios tries to describe it as "panicky advice," but as written the EO explicitly says H1B holders "except for those aliens whose petitions are accompanied or supplemented by a payment of $100,000 — subject to the exceptions set forth in subsection (c) of this section" will be restricted from entering the US.[1] This article isn't really actionable advice when the only attribution is to some un-named "White House official"

[1] Section 1 here: https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/09/rest...

DarkNova6 · 6 months ago
If you get deported into a prison camp by accident, the same officials will write a letter of formal apologies to your loved ones.

Well, more tech talent for India and China it seems.

Arubis · 6 months ago
What, in crayon? Expect victim blaming, not apologies.
DarkNova6 · 6 months ago
More like "sorry, this should not have happened. It still happened, but now we can't do anything. We take full responsibility, but nothings gonna change".
ochronus · 6 months ago
thots and prayas'
cmxch · 6 months ago
“ Well, more tech talent for India and China it seems.”

Not if the US has any way to prevent that.

DarkNova6 · 6 months ago
How so? With more isolationist policies? Coercion?

Sure, Trump could make Nvidia invest 5b into Intel. But that's only pacifying the shareholders among his cronies. It doesn't regenerate the company or bring back the burnt bridges and lost talent.

gadders · 6 months ago
Yes, where "talent" = generic java developers writing CRUD apps for internal business functions.
DarkNova6 · 6 months ago
Let's assume it really is only about code monkeys. Those asian code monkeys won't demand silly things like... unionization or decent living conditions. They are less likely to have problems with creating autonomous weapon systems that integrate facial recognition.

But it's not about those people. It's about experts in IT infrastructure, AI, researchers, etc. Those kind of people don't fall from trees and know that their expertise is well sought after. And if the US is not a safe or attractive choice, they go elsewhere. Simple as that.

vsskanth · 6 months ago
Still doesn't clarify what happens to people adjusting their status from F1 to H1B inside the US. Is that a new visa ?
breadwinner · 6 months ago
Yes, it would be a new H-1B visa.
flashgordon · 6 months ago
Anybody know how it plays out for those who are already on a h1b and are changing jobs? Typically that does not count as a new entry in the lottery but technically is a lottery. Without mobility that is just more indentured servitude. Also its not clear why not just lock out the indian consultancies directly as who these culprits are is pretty clear? Or no? There were also plenty of opportunities to tie a single h1b to one person instead of to a job posting (resulting in 3+ parallel filings).
mgh2 · 6 months ago
Makes sense, you don't want to affect already working high skill foreigners, because this will have immediate, massive disruptions on the tech industry.
QuadmasterXLII · 6 months ago
clarifying this point many hours into the 24 hour get home window does not make anything resembling sense.
cmxch · 6 months ago
Or you can proceed anyway and accept the damage as a bulwark against circumvention.