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dang · 3 months ago
Related ongoing threads:

US Gov acknowledges that 100K fee does not apply to existing H-1B visas holders [pdf] - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45318060 - Sept 2025 (43 comments)

Visa holders on vacation have 15 hours to return to US or pay $100k fee - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45312877 - Sept 2025 (218 comments)

New H-1B visa fee will not apply to existing holders, official says - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45316226 - Sept 2025 (3 comments)

Also recent and related:

Trump to impose $100k fee for H-1B worker visas, White House says - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45305845 - Sept 2025 (1675 comments)

The H-1B Visa Program and Its Impact on the U.S. Economy - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45309740 - Sept 2025 (51 comments)

seneca · 3 months ago
Here's the email from MS, supposedly: https://x.com/onestpress/status/1969444099317981563
wrs · 3 months ago
Note that the fee can be waived at the discretion of the Secretary of Homeland Security. So, just like the tariffs, one purpose of this change is to give companies the opportunity to come to the White House and ask what favors they can do in exchange for a waiver.
onlyrealcuzzo · 3 months ago
I'm interested to see how >26% of the country thinks it's a good idea for the president to pick winners and losers, and how that doesn't seem like the planned economy of the Soviet Union that failed disastrously.
yibg · 3 months ago
That 26% don’t see this as overreach, they see it as putting the corrupt radical left | greedy corporations | immigrants in their place.
duxup · 3 months ago
>waived at the discretion of the Secretary of Homeland Security.

Yeah that just seems like corruption by design.

mapontosevenths · 3 months ago
This.

Their arbitrary nature is designed to consolidate executive branch authority that can be welded as a weapon against corporations that might consider supporting his opposition in the future.

It's a classic fascist ploy, and is further proof that executive orders should be banned. In America we do not have kings who rule by decree, or at least we should not..

dragonwriter · 3 months ago
Banning executive orders is nonsense; you can’t have an executive branch with a head and prohibit the head from giving direction to the rest of the executive branch.

Executive orders that violate, or direct the violation of, existing law are illegal (or, at least, without legal effect) to the extent they do that, but whether or not a particular order meets that description is frequently a matter of dispute, which can end up in litigation.

andrewinardeer · 3 months ago
If executive orders get banned, should presidential pardons as well? This instrument can also be used for leverage.
LogicArsenal · 3 months ago
This will only encourage more technical jobs to move offshore. We already lost most of our manufacturing capacity to offshore factories. Policies like this will encourage more IT, engineering and research jobs to permanently move to lower cost countries. Why pay 100k to bring the best talent to the US when you can just move the whole team offshore?
ed · 3 months ago
The fee applies only to new applicants, per https://www.axios.com/2025/09/20/trump-h-1b-immigration-visa...
rendx · 3 months ago
"Section 1. Restriction on Entry. (a) Pursuant to sections 212(f) and 215(a) of the Immigration and Nationality Act (INA), 8 U.S.C. 1182(f) and 1185(a), the entry into the United States of aliens as nonimmigrants to perform services in a specialty occupation under section 101(a)(15)(H)(i)(b) of the INA, 8 U.S.C. 1101(a)(15)(H)(i)(b), is restricted, except for those aliens whose petitions are accompanied or supplemented by a payment of $100,000 — subject to the exceptions set forth in subsection (c) of this section."

See https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/09/rest...

Nothing in there says it only applies to new applicants.

IamLoading · 3 months ago
it was corrected by Karoline. Very surprising, when they announced it yesterday, they universally said for all.

https://x.com/PressSec/status/1969494255857987597

IG_Semmelweiss · 3 months ago
I assume immigration fees are solely the purview of the executive, is that correct ?

I also would think that if this fee is applied to some countries and not others, it would pass muster since its the same as with tariffs - they don't need to be universal (or uniform).

I am not clear on the mechanics of this though. Is the fee is annual, one-time or renewal; but i suppose this will be cleared up once the EO is released if it hasn't already ?

CSMastermind · 3 months ago
Congress gave the president broad authority to regulate the immigration process. Trump's executive order cites two statutes cited below.

I'm not a lawyer so it's possible, even likely that there's something I'm missing but to my laymans reading of the law it would seem to me he has the authority to put basically whatever process he wants into place.

Section 215(a) of the Immigration and Nationality Act (INA), codified at 8 U.S.C. § 1185(a), states exactly:

Unless otherwise ordered by the President, it shall be unlawful—(1) for any alien to depart from or enter or attempt to depart from or enter the United States except under such reasonable rules, regulations, and orders, and subject to such limitations and exceptions as the President may prescribe;

Section 212(f) of the Immigration and Nationality Act (INA), codified at 8 U.S.C. § 1182(f), states exactly:

Whenever the President finds that the entry of any aliens or of any class of aliens into the United States would be detrimental to the interests of the United States, he may by proclamation, and for such period as he shall deem necessary, suspend the entry of all aliens or any class of aliens as immigrants or nonimmigrants, or impose on the entry of aliens any restrictions he may deem to be appropriate.

vkou · 3 months ago
Law requires these fees to be ~essentially the cost of processing.

So that EO is almost certainly illegal, and will be litigated.

throwaway95914 · 3 months ago
I'm absolutely not a lawyer, so may be mistaken, but the fees for I-129 / DS-160 are not explicitly mentioned anywhere. Instead the fee seems to be an entry fee, which is orthogonal to the actual visa (meaning ; you can have a visa but not be granted entry, or maybe be granted entry under a different program but then with no lawful work permit).

Personal Experience: H1B/Work PERM/Personal PERM/EADs/Naturalization

jrs235 · 3 months ago
Assuming thoughtful intent is in use, perhaps this is a fishing attempt to see what corporations will challenge and litigate; an attempt to identify opposition and to add targets to punish next.
general1465 · 3 months ago
So people are trying to get back to USA while half of Europe has crippled airports thank to cyberattack. Really sucks to have H1B and be outside of USA right now.
bwestergard · 3 months ago
"creating panic among many - particularly Indian passengers - who even chose to leave the aircraft"

Are they are getting off the aircraft because they believe the "fee" will be required of their employment imminently, and that their employer will not pay it, and this will lead to their visa getting cancelled before they could return to the United States?

toast0 · 3 months ago
IMHO, it seems like there's a good chance of confusion and delay when reentering the US in the middle of this kind of change. It would be better to avoid that, if possible. And in the case that your visa does get canceled, it would be easier to fight that from in the US, and if necessary, to wind down your US household from inside the US as well. Everything gets a lot harder if you have to do it from outside the country.
hypeatei · 3 months ago
> it would be easier to fight that from in the US

Would it? Aren't ICE agents showing up to court hearings and deporting people?

bananapub · 3 months ago
It doesn’t seem very unclear - the president made up a policy it isn’t possible to comply with, since there is no way to actually pay the massive bribe, in addition to probably being illegal, but nonetheless CBP may start refusing entry to people in hours.
apwell23 · 3 months ago
why do you say its a bribe? where is actual money going?
flurdy · 3 months ago
It seems for the moment they will only check for this new fee on entry at the borders. If the fee has been not paid entry will be denied from tonight.

Hence, if you stay in the country nothing will change. And they can wait until this gets played out in the courts, media, congress etc.

4ndrewl · 3 months ago
Or that, like the de minimus situation wrt post, there just is no process in place to pay the fee and you're left in a legal limbo, or worse.

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