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mlaux · 8 months ago
My favorite Satie piece is “Vexations” [1], a short clip that the composer ostensibly wished to be played 840 times in a row.

As a little art project, I recently made a version for MS-DOS and AdLib [2] that starts with a piano-like sound and gradually distorts the timbre every repetition by flipping a random bit in the AdLib’s registers.

I never made a recording of it because I was envisioning it as an “if you got to see it in person, cool” type of thing, but I should probably go back and do that

[1] https://youtu.be/7GoV2psW-OE

[2] http://constcast.org/vexations.html

jancsika · 8 months ago
> My favorite Satie piece is “Vexations” [1], a short clip that the composer ostensibly wished to be played 840 times in a row.

Live performances of Vexations are illuminating in their own right.

But as a reminder for those who don't know: from the score it's clear Satie was satirizing the practice of composers taking on the long, boring process of drilling inane counterpoint exercises in the hope of eventually writing "serious" music, only to teach themselves the singular lesson of how to write long, boring phrases of music.

Probably he's also satirizing the arbitrariness of the received wisdom, as evidenced by his surprising voice-leading decisions for the phrase in Vexations. (Digression-- I find the common-practice prohibition on parallel fifths funny given there are near-constant parallel fifths sounding as an accident of the harmonic series, especially prominent in step-wise basslines in the cello or bass part. Did Rameau or anyone every address that? I don't remember...)

TheOtherHobbes · 8 months ago
That's why parallel fifths are considered a bad thing. They disappear into the rest of the texture and you lose one stream of independent movement.

Counterpoint is like any other musical technique. If you're a hack you can get it "right" and never say anything expressive with it. But if you have a creative musical sensibility it can add interest and complexity that wouldn't be possible otherwise.

MarcelOlsz · 8 months ago
Kinda reminds me of Industry [0] by Michael Gordon.

[0] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gujb-wyTy5s

justinc8687 · 8 months ago
Please make that recording!
RhysU · 8 months ago
A Strangeloop talk by Mouse Reeve, years ago, looked at the Markovian structure of "Gnossiennes" then made an endless version. A beautiful talk and really cool music website.

Music website: https://gnossiennes.mousereeve.com/ (slightly better on Desktop).

Talk: https://youtu.be/ANYMii3Sypg

Abstract: https://www.thestrangeloop.com/2019/minimalist-piano-forever...

vunderba · 8 months ago
If you like procedurally based music - you should definitely check out CPU Bach, a program written by Sid Meier (the Civ series designer) for the 3DO console back in the 90s.

It doesn't use markov chains (to my knowledge) but can generate some pretty impressive sounding Bach-like preludes / fugues using a weighted rule based approach across notes and melodic phrases.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbGO0a5P0M8

lordfrito · 8 months ago
I love this. Thank you.
crabl · 8 months ago
Ian Penman wrote a fantastic biography of Satie, published earlier this year. Worth a read! He was a profoundly strange and fascinating person: https://mitpress.mit.edu/9781635902532/erik-satie-three-piec...
pyman · 8 months ago
Is he remembered for his personality or his music? I'm asking because I find it fascinating how some music from 100 years ago still holds value today.
pcthrowaway · 8 months ago
Certainly both, but in your question, I'm suspecting your unaware of how much of this music you're familiar with it since it lives rent-free in the general zeitgeist. For example, I suspect you'd recognize Satie's work Gymnopedie no. 1[1] and perhaps putting a name to it will give you some appreciation for why his work is valued

[1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S-Xm7s9eGxU

Supernaut · 8 months ago
> I find it fascinating how some music from 100 years ago still holds value today.

Some of the world's most cherished music is much older than that. Is it your general expectation that musical compositions, regardless of merit, will inevitably lose their appeal over time?

akka47 · 8 months ago
>Is he remembered for his personality or his music?

Both, but mostly for his music. Listen to Gymnopédie No. 1 and Gnossienne No. 1 for good beginner pieces.

spauldo · 8 months ago
Music has an interesting relationship with time and human appreciation. At any particular time, there's a lot of music being produced. It's filtered at the source by things like the Billboard 100 and DJ preference, but a lot of music survives the immediate filter.

Older music is filtered by the brains of the people who experienced it when it was new. A consensus forms on what music was good and should be remembered. There's a nostalgia bump in popularity that lags about 20-30 years behind as middle-aged folk (the people with money and influence) replay the songs from their younger days. That's where "classic rock" and the like come from.

After that, the music is filtered again by people who encounter the previously filtered music for the first time. Music that survives this filter becomes essentially a permanent part of the culture. Here you find pieces like Scott Joplin's The Entertainer and Benny Goodman's version of Sing, Sing, Sing.

So if you're encountering century-plus old music, it's generally the stuff the stuff that our culture has flagged as being the best of its time (by one of several measures, not necessarily the most enjoyable) and still worthy of appreciation. Or it's music nerds doing their thing.

leptons · 8 months ago
He is primarily remembered for his music. Most people know some of his compositions but don't even know who wrote it. Gymnopédie is still used all over the place today in ads, remixes, and everywhere else - but few know who composed it, and even fewer know about his eccentric personality.

But apparently hackernews loves to point out how "weird" he was.

Dfiesl · 8 months ago
I think if you explore the “classical” genre of music you’ll quickly find many works of merit by composers which date back over 100 years
eitally · 8 months ago
Satie's Gymnopedies have been on our household's "calming & focused" playlists for years now. Highly recommend, and I look forward to hearing these new works, too.
TZubiri · 8 months ago
Did you perchance find these originally on youtube? They're very popular on their autosuggestions.
williamdclt · 8 months ago
They’re hugely famous, I don’t think most people’s first encounter with them would be as YouTube suggestions
jiehong · 8 months ago
They’ve been a bit everywhere for decades I think. Like I think in movies such as The Royal Tenenbaums of Wes Anderson.

I think I heard it more or less since childhood.

ithkuil · 8 months ago
There are a lot of interpretations of Satie's work and a random playlist on YouTube may not necessarily get you the best performers, also because not everybody has the same tastes in music.

My favourite interpretation of Satie's is played by Reinbert de Leeuw. He plays very slow, playing just a bit behind the beat, with astonishing precision and expressiveness.

eitally · 8 months ago
Actually, my wife discovered them via Calm or Headspace because they were used in something there. We then added them to YT Music playlists.
viraptor · 8 months ago
It got very popular with the raise of lofi. The Gymnopedie samples are everywhere.
derbOac · 8 months ago
I listened to this recording yesterday and thought the pieces were unfamiliar but didn't realize they were newly rediscovered.

The pieces were more conventional than I was expecting. I like the album and the music, it's a different side to Satie more reflective of the era, provides some context and perspective on his works.

kaonwarb · 8 months ago
I assume these are well-vetted as real discoveries, but can't help but think of "Albinoni's" Adagio: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adagio_in_G_minor

Still looking forward to listening!

gsuuon · 8 months ago
I always thought furniture music was such a pragmatic description of his work. Every few years I make a half-hearted attempt to learn Gymnopedie 1 on guitar but can never seem to follow through.
iainmerrick · 8 months ago
Have you tried the Danses de travers? I bet those could sound terrific on guitar.
reify · 8 months ago
my go to chill out music for the past 10 years

I highly recommend

Eric Satie's complete piano works on 2 x CD

has all the music from this wiki:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_compositions_by_Erik_S...

I tried to play some of these on classical guitar and failed dismally.