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pavlov · 2 months ago
My hunch is that the square vs. circle convention is derived from paper forms.

The checkbox has been a common design element in forms for a long time. But people can of course tick off all boxes.

So when form designers needed to emphasize that you should only select one option, they often used a group of non-boxed options together with instruction copy that read “Circle one” (or similar).

The name “radio button” of course comes from physical buttons, but those were often square. So I think the specific circular shape is actually derived from circling an option on paper.

true_religion · 2 months ago
I had once thought the circle shape came from scantron style examination papers, where you can only fill one circle at a time. It’s similar even if the origins are probably different.
vel0city · 2 months ago
A lot of Scantron-style systems (including a lot of Scantrons) support marking multiple.
mystified5016 · 2 months ago
Radio buttons were also often round. The age of radio (and phenolics) was full of over-inflated round shapes.

But also, when you have a dozen monochromatic pixels to work with, 'square' and 'round' are pretty much the only usefully distinct shapes. Checkboxes were square for obvious reasons, so to distinguish a similar set of controls, you pretty much have to use a circle.

I'm pretty sure these concepts moved directly from physical systems to digital ones. Every person alive then knew what an empty square next to a line of text meant, and everyone understood the concept of ganged push-buttons. Just map it onto a pixel grid and you're good to go

IAmBroom · 2 months ago
> The name “radio button” of course comes from physical buttons, but those were often square.

It's just one opinion versus another, but in my experience early radios often had round buttons. I'm thinking of the kind of radios that preceded TVs.

Cassette decks certainly had rectangular "one choice only" buttons, but those came along decades later.

aidos · 2 months ago
More crucially, when did we lose the ability to click and hold on the first checkbox and then drag down the list to set them all the same way!

> 1982: Dragging through a field of check-boxes flips the state of the first and assigns the new state to all other boxes dragged through.

earthnail · 2 months ago
On iOS you can swipe with two fingers to select multiple rows. One of the more hidden features. Mentioning it to show that we didn’t lose it everywhere.
exiguus · 2 months ago
What comes close are multi-select patterns. Often drop-downs where you can use the ALT-Key or dragging to select one or more items. Basically the same as in your beloved file-explorer and the list view. To archive a select all, usually there is a "select all" checkbox.
jfengel · 2 months ago
I don't know when I would use that. If that's something a user would do often I probably want some other design component.

In part it's because I don't like check boxes. They don't have great feedback about what's going to happen. If I designed a UI where someone is likely to check a lot of boxes, I would feel I had done something very wrong.

Sometimes it's unavoidable and so the framework might as well allow it. And as a user, designers often do things I wouldn't have. But I can say I don't miss having that feature.

mewpmewp2 · 2 months ago
Maybe when you have e.g. a list of items/pictures/datasets you want to select to perform some action with, e.g. download, export, or perform some bulk job on?

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yokljo · 2 months ago
Blender does this. It's sick.
exiguus · 2 months ago
When I see UI radio buttons, I often think about old radios, dishwashers, or washing machines, where you had two or three buttons aligned, and when you press one, the other(s) pop up (if they are already down).
smallstepforman · 2 months ago
I actually had a radio with circular radio buttons, which would pop back when you selected another option. It had switches instead of check boxes.

The one that drives me crazy is slider based checkboxes. I never know which side is on/off. Bad UI convention.

And speaking of checkboxes, I want an actual tick mark (checkmark), not a X cross. Its called checkbox, not Xbox or crossbox, it has to be a checkmark. Also, its a square, not a box. Disaster.

Tmpod · 2 months ago
You mean those toggles that are very common on settings pages (i.e. in Android/iOS)? If they are colored, they are very easy to parse, imo, but it never hurts to actually write "on"/"off".

Those toggles actually mimic real hardware that used to be fairly common. I find those should be preferred over checkboxes for anything that takes immediate effect. If they don't, and you're collecting a bunch of options at once, in a form, then use checkboxes.

nkrisc · 2 months ago
That is why they are called "radio buttons".
Waterluvian · 2 months ago
That’s precisely the metaphor. A radio as in the radio station presets in your car.
adolph · 2 months ago
iirc, radio buttons were an early form of bookmark in that one would rotate the tuner whose position was annotated by a scale marker, and when the radio was tuned as desired, one would pull the radio button, then push it in to set that button to that tuning. I have a memory of the tactile sensation in my fingers.
mystified5016 · 2 months ago
These are properly called "ganged switches" in the physical world.

And yes, radio buttons got their name from the push-button ganged switches that were ubiquitous on pre-digital radios.

discostrings · 2 months ago
Push button light switches that had two circular buttons with this behavior also used to be extremely common.
oneeyedpigeon · 2 months ago
Our first TV was like this too - before remote controls.
namibj · 2 months ago
My stand fan for aiding in my skin convection cooling by forcing convection has 4 buttons, 3 latching power levels and 1 non-latching off button.
fainpul · 2 months ago
And those buttons needed to be round, because you could turn them to tune the radio or TV to a station. Pressing the button would then "snap" the tuner back to the preset position of the pressed button.
fainpul · 2 months ago
Ok, apparently there were different ways this was implemented. I remember a friends old TV as a child, where it worked exactly as I have described.

This is similar to what I mean, although it's a radio, not a TV and the buttons I remember where taller and had ridges on the side so they could be turned easily.

https://herculodge.typepad.com/herculodge/2011/06/as-i-walke...

myself248 · 2 months ago
No they didn't. My first car had a Blaupunkt radio with buttons that worked like that, but they were rectangular.
teddyh · 2 months ago
ISTR a discussion in Tog on Interface on the design choices available, with visual examples. This seems to indicate that the choice was made there.
RodgerTheGreat · 2 months ago
You're thinking of a discussion about a hypothetical variant of the radio button, a "one or more" UI element. Discussion here on Lobste.rs:

https://lobste.rs/s/v6mkz6/implementing_one_more_ui_componen...

qingcharles · 2 months ago
iOS has a history of using round checkboxes to muddy the waters:

https://ux.stackexchange.com/questions/116712/apples-round-c...

(they're not the only offenders in this monstrosity)

1oooqooq · 2 months ago
damn. stack overflow is gone for me. constantly logging me out (6 digits imaginary points) and showing me cloudflare annoyance almost every request. i guess i will just ask AIs trained on their content in the end.
Tmpod · 2 months ago
Yeah, it has been prompting me with CF CAPTCHAS almost every time lately. Didn't use to do that, a few months ago.
Nextgrid · 2 months ago
Those captchas take more time than going to my usual LLM and asking there. Ironically their anti-AI crusade ends up making me use AI more.
hedora · 2 months ago
Ouch. Can confirm.

Some paid services I’ve used for years have started aggressively automatically logging me out while I’m driving (eg when using the CarPlay app, which doesn’t include a login screen).

I really wonder what the PM’s are thinking.

block_dagger · 2 months ago
What UI uses circles with checkmarks in them as “OK” buttons? iOS 26. Facepalm.
johnisgood · 2 months ago
Can I see a screenshot of that? Sounds weird.
vbezhenar · 2 months ago
wqweto · 2 months ago
And Delphi
vinceguidry · 2 months ago
I would think actual radios.