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Posted by u/thomassmith65 6 months ago
Ask HN: In 15 years, what will a gas station visit look like?
This struck me as an interesting sci-fi writing exercise. Gas stations are everywhere; but they'll likely change considerably going forward.

Imagine visiting a gas station in 2040:

• will it sell gas?

• what convenience items will it sell?

• who, if anyone, will staff it?

• what payment methods will it accept?

• what signage and decor will it use?

• will it offer new services?

codegeek · 6 months ago
Not much. 15 years ago was 2010. Gas stations in 2025 are very similar to Gas stations from 2010. I doubt they will be too different in 2040. May be a few more EV chargers.
magicalhippo · 6 months ago
The ones they build here in Norway has changed somewhat from 2010. For one, mainly EV chargers, with just a few, if any, pumps.

Mostly sells food and soft drinks, so hot dogs, fresh sandwiches, baked goods, with much more seating area so you can sit and eat while your car charges.

Has almost no car-related stuff, just one or two small sections of blinker fluid, wunder-baum and such.

And looking at the current trend, there will be far fewer of them, mainly located at strategic positions. The small, local gas stations will go away.

HenryBemis · 6 months ago
I remember reading this piece of news some time ago[0]: “People may not know – BP sells coffee. We sold 150 million cups of coffee last year,” Bernard Looney said in an interview in August (2020), referring to beverage kiosks attached to the company’s fuel stations. “This is a very strong business. It’s a growth business.”

I remember I was impressed by this. The only country I drink gas-station-coffee is Finland (because where else can you find coffee in the middle of nowhere?). So right after I read that article, and the first time I saw a BP gas station I got a coffee. It was 'cheap' and I assume EUR per mg of caffeine was 'ok', but the quality/flavor.. omfg. Also, volcanic hot, so thanks but no thanks.

[0]: https://businesstech.co.za/news/energy/433444/bp-doesnt-just...

With the hot-dogs, fries, pizzas, snacks, milk, cereal, alcohol (in some countries), they remind me of "The Profit" with Marcus Lemonis, where he is trying to use each square-inch from a retail store to sell stuff.

shawn_w · 6 months ago
Wait, blinker fluid is actually in stock in Norway? Gotta tell some BMW drivers I know; see if they can get it shipped over.
thorin · 6 months ago
Weinermelange!
Supermancho · 6 months ago
I would not be surprised if it looks more like Sam's Club, but otherwise the same. ie App with QR code scanner instead of Credit Card scanner.
raldi · 6 months ago
That's like saying since newspapers in 1995 were very similar to newspapers in 1980, they'll be pretty much the same in 2010.
nocoiner · 6 months ago
They were. Now newspapers in 1995 and 2010 - that’s definitely after the post-2000ish changes had started to bite.
baobun · 6 months ago
I foresee an increase in displays showing ads, as well as cameras with facial recognition.
kcplate · 6 months ago
IMO gas stations haven’t changed all that much over the last 50 years (forget the 15) beyond:

- now having larger buildings to incorporate more convenience products (mostly foodstuffs) for sale - more pumps

thomassmith65 · 6 months ago
That's pushing it around a decade too far back.

Today, every gas station is self-serve, and often you can pay by card at the pump.

50 years ago, plenty of gas stations still had attendants. One guy would fill the tank (possibly with 'leaded'), another might give your windshield a quick wipe. You could ask for them to check your oil, too.

Not too much has changed since the '80s though.

darknavi · 6 months ago
Gas stations often used to be car service stations as well. We have a few local ones with 3-4 car work garages attached but they are always closed now and used for storage.
ks2048 · 6 months ago
It went from pay inside to pay-at-the-pump. That probably also led to the ability for more pumps at busy stations (w/o hiring more people).

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Symbiote · 6 months ago
2040 will be five years after the ban on petrol car sales in the EU, unless that is changed.

With cars lasting around 15 years, we can expect many gas stations to have closed by 2040.

deepsun · 6 months ago
And more hydrogen stations. Japan keeps investing in them a lot.
magicalhippo · 6 months ago
Hydrogen seems like going backwards into the future. For personal transport it surely is a dead end, there are no significant upsides to offset the large downsides compared to BEVs.

Perhaps it can work well for certain commercial niches, time will tell.

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chrismatheson · 6 months ago
I know my view will be affected by the UK being generally a small country...

most people aren't driving 200+ miles a day, which means 90% of charging will be at home.

Driving longer that 200 miles means you probably want a decent break. So I would imagine that most "local" places will disappear / pivot into shops with EV charging also.

Motorway services will also change I think. Fast food isnt as much of an appeal when you're stuck there for an hour or so anyway. So I could see a rise in retrain complexes with charging abilities.

possibly changes in behaviour will also affect things. If im traveling 4-6hrs in a day, id be ok with stopping of for an hour at a shopping centre where I could charge and also do some shopping, maybe let the kids play in a softplay or whatever

The first clever folks to stick a bull ring within 5 minutes drive of the M6 will 200+ charging points will do VERY well I think.

roryirvine · 6 months ago
The process has already begun - UK petrol station numbers are down by a third since the beginning of the century.

As you say, they'll all but cease to exist in urban areas, with the process mostly complete by the end of the 2030s. I'm not sure that dedicated EV charging stations will be all that common in cities, though. Why not use existing car parks for that?

Some probably will end up being used as surface car parks where there's demand for it, but urban land values are such that I suspect most will be knocked down and replaced with apartments or larger retail units. A few may retain the forecourt structures as a form of kitsch (think of the florists beside Regents Park in London, or the Hyde Park Book Club in Leeds).

There'll probably be a growing niche for domestic fuel delivery services. You might also see a minor resurgence of the very small neighbourhood filling stations that mostly died out in the 1970s/80s - the sort of place that does MOT checks or tyre changes today. Some might end up installing a pump or two, to cater for vintage car enthusiasts.

Symbiote · 6 months ago
I think vintage car enthusiasts will end up served by oil drums and a drum pump. That's already how petrol is delivered and distributed to small island communities.

Many cities will ban vintage cars from entering.

Symbiote · 6 months ago
Fosse Park shopping center is practically on the M1 (Leicester) but only has 16 chargers. (Plus some at adjacent businesses like McDonald's).

This seems like an easy way for them to draw in customers.

Meadowhall in Sheffield is similarly close to the motorway, and has 36 chargers.

danpalmer · 6 months ago
The gas station will be older, crappier. As the shift to electric cars takes hold new gas stations won’t be built, old ones won’t be renovated, and they’ll be squeezed harder. Expect more stuff to buy at worse prices with more advertising.

Chargers will likely rise up around a different type of venue that won’t be seen as a gas station. More cafes, places suitable to spend 15+ minutes. Places with seating.

Increasingly gas stations will just be seen as a dated concept that isn’t living up to the world of 2040. Otherwise they’ll be almost exactly the same as today.

jasondigitized · 6 months ago
I am seeing the exact opposite in Texas. Bucees's and QT are causing a lot of gas stations to up level both the amenities and merchandising. If anything the experience is getting a lot nicer. If you haven't been to a Bucee's you should.
cerlo_team · 6 months ago
I’m on board.

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d--b · 6 months ago
First I’d answer the question: should there be any gas stations at all? With self driving vehicles you could imagine a future where self driving gas dispensing trucks roam the highways to refill cars as they go.

Or instead of trucks you could imagine that the left lane on highways could be replaced by some kind of train on rails that your car could dock to. In that train you’d have the same crap you have in current gas stations: mostly toilets and food stuff.

Cars docking to stuff is something that really clicks with me, but you could really go one step further away. You could split cars between the part that runs and the part that carries passengers. The part that carries people could be some kind of capsule akin to a boat container that could be loaded onto something else. When on the highway, this cabin could be put on some giant train that would carry hundreds of these capsules and when you need to get off the highway, your capsule would be loaded on some independent single-capsule vehicle, that would drive you where you need to go.

It’s probably all terrible ideas because that would make everything a lot less resilient to problems in terms of operation, but you said sci fi :-)

Oh and yeah 15 years is way too short to see that kind of changes.

karar01 · 6 months ago
My prediction: 1) Yes, It'll sell gas but it'll also have electric stations. 2) Basic snacks and food but maybe more electric cigarettes lol 3) Only chips (either on your credit card, phone or under your skin) 4) Simplistic and white modern look 5) Cleaner restrooms as the robots clean every 30 min and no staff, more cameras with AI to detect anamoly and call 911 quickly.
protocolture · 6 months ago
In my experience Petrol stations are very smart operators that accumulate new business models very quickly.

My locals all:

Sell petrol

Sell snacks, meals and necessities (small convenience stores)

Sell firewood

Sell ice

Provide gas bottle swaps.

Sell large items that are convenient for ute tray transport (Slabs of drink and other items)

Provide free water and air, basic car wash facilities.

15 years from now I expect all of the above (It will take 20 years to get rid of petrol cars when the last one is sold)

Plus more common ev charging. Maybe battery swaps.

silisili · 6 months ago
In the US at least, I feel like you hit that late 90s convenience experience.

While it's true they still do these things, or try to, in my experience nobody actually uses them because of understaffing and underpaying of employees to the point of them not caring.

Who wants a brown hot dog or dried out taquito that's been on a roller for who knows how many days? Who wants soda from moldy taps? Who wants to stand in line to change out propane, to be told there's only one person working, go out and wait til the line is gone? Air is still free, but you have to go in and ask for it to be turned on.

At least that's my experience, maybe each locale is different. I literally have never seen a person buy prepared food or exchange propane at a typical gas station(wawa/buckees excluded) in my adult life.

protocolture · 6 months ago
In Australia they have had a complete resurgence thanks to food delivery apps. Shit I even like our 7 Eleven petrol station coffee. And I am not the only one I often have to ask them to change the milk jugs over in the machine.

They are open 24/7 with just enough food at only triple supermarket prices.

Nearest 4 to me always have better than 50% empty gas bottles, and the second it gets cold they sell out of firewood.

2/3 of their air hoses have been vandalised however, which just leaves a line up at the third.

lcnPylGDnU4H9OF · 6 months ago
> maybe each locale is different

It seems to be this. Many such stores near me offer a lot of prepared food (many thousands of calories at once on the heated display surface) and they’re not at loss-leader prices, so I have to assume it’s profitable.

tonyedgecombe · 6 months ago
> Provide free water and air, basic car wash facilities.

In the UK you have to pay for water and air pretty much everywhere now.

bravesoul2 · 6 months ago
They start to disappear in cities replaced by parking spot fast chargers. Some remain for ICE engines but fewer of them. The ICE engines ones are as now as there is no need to innovate e.g. robots filling your fuel.

Between cities they will be as now a rest stop mainly with fuel. Maybe more charging where you park.

Whether we staff or not depends on if we adopt Japanese culture. In Tokyo they have unattended fast food shops, and somewhat novelty robot servers at some restaurants.

I predict 50% chance of that happening. It may be driven to buy robots and automation becoming cheaper than labour plus mass surveillance making it less appetizing to steal.

dark__paladin · 6 months ago
Speaking as an American.

They will be virtually identical, except that there will be far more ads. Perhaps stations in super urban areas will integrate AI into the pump, using your name and level 3 data to market to you hyper-specifically.

Also Arizona teas will no longer say 99¢ on the can.

idontwantthis · 6 months ago
I’m pretty close to spraying something into the speakers to destroy them. I had to get gas at an ad blasting station yesterday and got just 3 gallons and left.
latchkey · 6 months ago
Out of curiosity, what would you spray?

(Probably not a good idea, there are camera's everywhere.)