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LeafItAlone · 4 months ago
Honest question: let’s say that Congress suddenly realizes what their job entails and what powers belong to them.

The article mentions that 1,000 of these visas have been sold and up to 1,000,000 may be.

If Congress says “no, this isn’t authorized” and the Supreme Court finally cracks open the Constitution and agrees with them: what does a rollback plan look like?

cosmicgadget · 4 months ago
Probably the same as those students getting rolled up by ICE. Except it's a valet taking them to the executive terminal.
jzellis · 4 months ago
Probably a lot like putting down a $2K deposit on a Cybertruck range extender. If there's one thing Elon should be competent at by now, it's processing refunds.
tim333 · 4 months ago
The 1000 sold is very iffy. I'm not sure they have beyond a vague intention. I think it's just based on a comment Lutnick made on a podcast.
mingus88 · 4 months ago
AFAIK a visa can be revoked for any reason. I’m also willing to wager that any costs would not be refunded because let’s be serious this is Trump we are talking about
ty6853 · 4 months ago
That's normal. Pretty much no residency or citizenship by investment programs will refund the 'investment' unless it is denied during the initial application process.

People buying that stuff usually don't care and it doesn't seem to have much effect on the other programs, even ones that have cancelled even citizenships in the past (like Saint Lucia) without returning the 'investment.'

vsskanth · 4 months ago
No law required ? Is Executive order sufficient to create new visa categories ?
redeux · 4 months ago
The question isn’t “is this legal,” it’s “will anyone stop him.” Though in the end the answer to both is likely the same.
ty6853 · 4 months ago
If it can be created by fiat, it can be destroyed by fiat.

This is the danger of most residency and citizenship by investment programs.

unsnap_biceps · 4 months ago
it's beyond just new a visa, it's also changing tax code.

> Lutnick told the hosts of the All In show, was to allow people to purchase the right to live in the United States and pay taxes only on their income earned in the country.

That's a huge tax policy change. Currently, my understanding is that as a citizen, you pay taxes on all income, regardless of where it comes from. You get credits for taxes paid to other governments, but if they charge less then the US would, you pay the difference.

Terr_ · 4 months ago
So it's not just immigration fraud, but also tax evasion...
bbarnett · 4 months ago
A VISA doesn't mean you are a citizen.
actionfromafar · 4 months ago
Ah, but you see, these are VIP citizens. They are more equal than the other animals.
fallingknife · 4 months ago
Paying $5 million to get a visa and then paying taxes on whatever assets and income they bring with them seems like a great deal for the US because the foreign income never would have been taxed by the US anyway if they hadn't got the visa. Why get greedy and demand taxation on all their income when this could lose us a the opportunity for a very profitable deal?
fallingknife · 4 months ago
Like it or not this is basically how the US is run these days. Congress has ceded its power to the executive branch. Almost everything now is done by bureaucratic degree and executive order.
01HNNWZ0MV43FF · 4 months ago
"America is so unfair, in America only the rich are allowed to bribe public officials" -- Source unknown
biggc · 4 months ago
Why would anyone buy this over participating in an EB-5 investor visa project?
bbarnett · 4 months ago
Effort? EB-5 has ongoing reporting requirements.

And for some, $5M is not a significant sum.

unsnap_biceps · 4 months ago
You are more likely to get preferential treatment by the president.
ty6853 · 4 months ago
If you're deferring to the favors of a figurehead rather than the law, you would be much better off in Dubai. Everyone knows the game there, it is pure dictatorship, but the taxes are extraordinarily low, banking and KYC/AML is laissez faire, and if you're going to depend on personal connections to a leader rather than immigration law then you may as well go all in and get the better end of the deal.
tim333 · 4 months ago
In theory there are tax advantages.
ern · 4 months ago
Australia effectively scrapped this sort of visa in 2024 because it wasn't bringing the expected benefits. The UK did a similar thing because of it being exploited by oligarchs. (https://www.bbc.com/news/world-australia-68052626)
jochem9 · 4 months ago
The European court of justice just concluded that Malta's golden visa program is illegal and needs to be stopped as well.

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rsynnott · 4 months ago
As far as I know, pretty much everyone who's tried this has ended up scrapping it; it _never_ works.
actionfromafar · 4 months ago
I think we are possibly looking for different benefits here. This time, it's just temporary cover for economic hardships. "The Trump cards will bring in so much money, later." Also, the point this time is to actually get the oligarchs into the hen house.
outcoldman · 4 months ago
You know who has 5M dollars? Cartel.
orionblastar · 4 months ago
Mirror around Wired Paywall: https://archive.is/jlTgv
Terr_ · 4 months ago
Sounds like the people who take advantage of this illegal "Presidential offer" will become guilty of (A) immigration fraud and (B) tax evasion.

The current administration--as a principal criminal--may refuse to prosecute... but the statute of limitations will extend past Trump's term, and tax fraud has no statute of limitations.