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walterbell · 9 months ago
March 2024, "Fiber optic drone control beats any RF jammer", 250 comments, https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41143322

August 2024, commercial availability, https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidhambling/2024/08/20/russia...

  German company HIGHCAT is demonstrating its HMX fiber-optic drone in Ukraine this month. Now combat footage has emerged of what appears to be the first strikes by this type of weapon ... The controller can use an AI system heavier and more powerful than a drone could carry, taking advantage of high-resolution imagery to track and identify objects in real time. The cheap drone is expended but the expensive controller is reused for multiple strikes. Six months ago this technology was not even a rumor. Now it is on the open market and destroying targets.

rolisz · 9 months ago
The comments from the HN link from 1 year ago aged so badly. They were all skeptical that fiber optic control would become popular.
chank · 9 months ago
I would say not really. This pretty much only fits the exact use case for its specific niche need. E.g. operating in RF adverse/non-recoverable environments. Otherwise it's a waste. So technically it's still not "popular" in the sense of general popularity. You're not going to see your general drone pilot rushing to put fiber optic on thier drone. This also isn't a new concept. Its the same thing as wire-guided missiles that have been around since WWII.
FirmwareBurner · 9 months ago
A lot of top comments from HN age badly or are just blatantly incorrect/false. People are captured in their own ideology which gets reinforced by the eco chamber effect here, and so refuse to acknowledge the possibility they might be wrong or that the real world is vastly different than the one in their eco chamber (like the fact that most of the world uses Windows).

Especially true for SW engineers and other privileged people (politicians are an even better example) who due to their high status and wealth assume that if they got a well paid job, then they must be super smart and right at any other topics or areas, and then end up shocked that their viewpoint gets demolished by the masses or by the end results down the line.

In a way it's like how democracy works: it doesn't matter what is right and what is wrong, the opinion that ends up denominating is what the the masses perceive as being right.

NitpickLawyer · 9 months ago
I wonder what that "expensive controller" is, and why it can't be something like a jetson nano equivalent + yolo for <500$ at scale...
ragebol · 9 months ago
If flying and powering and destroying a Jetson at scale cheap enough?
thenthenthen · 9 months ago
Shenzhen speed ;)
generalizations · 9 months ago
Truly. The US is going to have to deregulate and speed up if it doesn't want to be left behind.
Klaster_1 · 9 months ago
I recommend reading these two recent reports by Shura Burtin, these go into some details about impact of drone warfare:

* https://meduza.io/en/feature/2025/03/27/please-don-t-use-my-... - less focused on the subject.

* https://meduza.io/feature/2025/03/25/terminator-veschiy-film - more focus on the subject (no English version yet, use Google Translate or something).

trallnag · 9 months ago
Fucking hell, these are some dire articles
Ostrogoth · 9 months ago
Here is a photo of dozens of spent fiber optic lines hanging in trees in Ukraine. It’s interesting to see how quickly the FPV drone tech evolves.

https://www.instagram.com/p/DHZdHK_Ryyp/

gngoo · 9 months ago
The weird part is that they are also advertised on Instagram. More than once I have gotten an ad from an account showcasing these fiber optic drones and their R&D operation. And you can openly contact them for inquries.
giantfrog · 9 months ago
Which brands?
gngoo · 9 months ago
I won't link them, but they are quite easy to find... Most of the accounts offering them are custom DIY drones. The fiber optic attachment spools seem to be mass produced though.
mindwok · 9 months ago
I wonder if you could have a mothership drone situation, where one drone sits high and out of range, and others fly out to their targets. Would prevent the cable getting caught on stuff and stop the cable leading back to the operator.
xnx · 9 months ago
Cables would probably snap under their own weight, right? Laser communication might be a better bet for a mothership dropping guided drone "bombs".
qingcharles · 9 months ago
OK, this is totally wild. I did not expect them to mean the drones are tethered to the base station by fiber.
ggm · 9 months ago
Tethered but .. not constrained by that tether. Like annoying dogs in the dog-park whose owners feel free to real out the fishing line and never reel it in.
littlecosmic · 9 months ago
Better to find a postwar fibre optic than a postwar mine, I guess
yzydserd · 9 months ago
What’s the old adage, is it “I don’t know how WW3 will end, but WW4 will end with rock paper scissors”?

Right now, my money’s on scissors.

ggm · 9 months ago
I am reminded of a poetic moment from a former US army person who told me of sunlight glinting off the trail of wires left behind after practice launches of wire guided MANPAD type systems. He said they were like spider silk in the dawn.
maxglute · 9 months ago
https://i.imgur.com/JTfpiXV.jpeg

I think this is fibres littering trees in Kursk.

nradov · 9 months ago
Those were probably anti-tank missiles such as the BGM-71 TOW. I don't think there are any MANPADS that use wire guidance: all of the modern ones are IR.
ggm · 9 months ago
Thank you for the acronym correction.
raducu · 9 months ago
> He said they were like spider silk in the dawn.

Russian FPV operators have already lost their life due to this precise effect and the fact they operated from the same building multiple times.

m463 · 9 months ago
...flight of the valkyries playing in his wired earbuds...