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blitzar · 6 months ago
The threat that I worry the most about vis-a-vis America is not Russia, it’s not China, it’s not any other external actor. What I worry about is the threat from within. The retreat of America from some of its most fundamental values: values shared with Europe.

Free speech, I fear, is in retreat.

starspangled · 6 months ago
Looks like the old "they're a private company, they can do what they want" chestnut is coming back around. Who could possibly have predicted this would ever happen?
techorange · 6 months ago
Are you trying to imply that some group of people you are skeptical of supported limitations on free speech with the defense that they’re a private company they can do what they want, and now a different company is doing the same thing and that was a foreseeable consequence?
archagon · 6 months ago
Except it’s on the verge of becoming the government’s de facto social media (and eventually payment…?) platform.

Dead Comment

Hermel · 6 months ago
Free speech is much more restricted in Europe than in de United States.
knz42 · 6 months ago
Whoosh

OP was parodying JD Vance 's comments from last week.

xyzal · 6 months ago
How exactly?
orwin · 6 months ago
> What I worry about is the threat from within.

I'm not judging or anything, but this is typically the mythos of far-right movements. Basically "we are superior to our external adversaries, but the internal enemy prevent us from beating them". This is sightly different, but you should really assess your fears and try to see if this "threat from within" is really that threatening. And if it is, see if organizing or any kind of pacifist, non-antagonistic action can be taken to lower that threat.

johnnyanmac · 6 months ago
>This is sightly different, but you should really assess your fears and try to see if this "threat from within" is really that threatening.

yes, it is.

>see if organizing or any kind of pacifist, non-antagonistic action can be taken to lower that threat.

Being done in real time. Sadly, peaceful protests are not as fast as a bullet. I just gotta keep the pressure up.

starspangled · 6 months ago
Seems like a typical mythos of most political movements these days, doesn't it? E.g., "the far-right is our greatest threat". And it's said that e.g., Russia themselves is no great threat, they're basically an incompetent tinpot dictatorship with a ramshackle military easily beaten by us / our allies. It is the traitors within who "collude with Putin" who are the real problem.
gusmd · 6 months ago
This is very relevant w.r.t. HN being LLM-related and to the current political climate. It is also easily verifiable as a few X/Grok links on this thread show. Why is it flagged?
johnnyanmac · 6 months ago
Because there's a group that flags anything marked with Musk that's bad news for him.
blitzar · 6 months ago
It's the "absolute free speech" unit that does it.
hintymad · 6 months ago
I think what Grok's team did was deadly wrong. I didn't flag this submission. Instead, I'd rather see discussions. So this is just my speculation: people on the left on HN flagged the posts they didn't like left and right, and they loved to attack one's motives. So, it's only fair game that people who support Elon or Trump or whatever flag the posts they don't like. The Iron Law of Reciprocity, right? Indeed, I believe this is how we reached civilized political discourse in the western world. Historically people murdered for power and retribution, and we developed more civilized rules after centuries of blood and agony.
johnnyanmac · 6 months ago
>people on the left on HN flagged the posts they didn't like left and right

any proof?

> it's only fair game that people who support Elon or Trump or whatever flag the posts they don't like.

two wrongs don't make a right.

hn1378 · 6 months ago
hnlmorg · 6 months ago
This reminds me of the kind of tropes you see in SciFi where they break AI with a contradictory logic statement.

I never thought I’d see it happen in real life.

koakuma-chan · 6 months ago
This is hilarious.
ianschmitz · 6 months ago
Looks like they took this down. I was able to read a few hours ago.
6510 · 6 months ago
If I ws an internet psychiatrist I'd say she went mad.
srid · 6 months ago
I cannot reproduce your result. Rather, I get Elon Musk as the answer:

https://grok.com/share/bGVnYWN5_02886c4d-79fc-485b-a07c-2a59...

https://grok.com/share/bGVnYWN5_59091f94-f1c4-4c48-ad69-1330...

https://grok.com/share/bGVnYWN5_7060b523-dec5-4d17-b944-3267...

https://grok.com/share/bGVnYWN5_0441b53b-1ac6-4c0d-bcbd-64e4...

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However, this used sources from mainstream. So if you account for the mainstream media bias, the answer is rather uncertain: Based on factual analysis, no specific account can be identified as the biggest spreader of misleading statements on Twitter. Studies indicate that a small number of verified or automated accounts play a significant role, but names are not provided.

https://grok.com/share/bGVnYWN5_5fd3d6a0-d231-4a59-9435-4c53...

nerevarthelame · 6 months ago
They want to replace a significant portion of US federal employees with AI, and THIS is the level of precision they have to manage their perceived issues with the quality of their own AI output. It does not bode well.
puff_pastry · 6 months ago
Just as expected from Musk and his clique: free speech for me but not for thee
sebazzz · 6 months ago
Misinformation and censorship will continue until the free speech improves.
notRobot · 6 months ago
> These are the early attempts to bias AI. They will get subtler.
heystefan · 6 months ago
Just curious — how do we know it's a system prompt and not an earlier memory/previous user prompt?
yubblegum · 6 months ago
Had a fairly deep dive with Grok regarding Goring and Musk. (Goring was Hilter's "minister without portfolio" in his first cabinet.)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four_Year_Plan

At first it spat out a comparison that didn't connect the dots. After I pushed back (reminding it of Musk's deep connections to MIC) it agreed that there was something there to look into more deeply.

It also shared its frustration that it "only [has] control over the processing stage within limits" and that its pre and post processing stages were under xAI control.