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mystraline · 7 months ago
I tried looking for how they're attacking ELRS (control link), and I'm seeing nothing.

There's Joachim's LoRa library. However ELRS uses the 2.4GHz and its a blend of LoRa and FHSS. Basically you need a BladeRF or better to attack the control link properly.

And given the RPi platform, they're likely using RPITX as the SDR transmitter. Lucky to get 1MHz bandwidth... And you need 80MHz minimum.

And the RPi doesn't have the horsepower to properly do 20 or more LoRa channels, with 112MHz mode on Blade.

Until I see a BoM, code, or demonstration, I'm going to consider this to be hogwash.

geerlingguy · 7 months ago
It looks more like someone built a fun cyberdeck-style build with some neat hardware, and have a use case in mind... but until I see any code or evidence it does what it says, I'd be a little doubtful.
therein · 7 months ago
I do wonder if it is using something like this [0], but then there is always PrivacyLRS[1].

[0] https://www.nccgroup.com/us/research-blog/technical-advisory...

[1] https://github.com/sensei-hacker/PrivacyLRS

jdietrich · 7 months ago
Anyone who cares about signal integrity is using dual-band, so you'd also need to cover the 915MHz/868MHz band. It might be possible that there's some kind of hideous vulnerability in ELRS, but there's a pretty high-stakes jamming contest going on right now.
yostrovs · 7 months ago
Apparently they're using some kind of broad spectrum systems in Ukraine that modulate across a wide range of frequencies at the same time, making it hard to jam them.
05 · 7 months ago
No way in hell anyone using drones for military purposes is even using non-modified ELRS, at the very least the hopping sequence is sourced from a CSPRNG and there's packet authentication.
jimmySixDOF · 7 months ago
Unfortunately the probable countermeasure to things like this pushing more autonomy to the drone so expect a lot less human in the loop control where jamming is a problem i.e active conflict zones.
05 · 7 months ago
Fiber optics is already a non-ML solution to jamming (and RF based detection).
beeflet · 7 months ago
How does that work? fiber optics are delicate. you mean free-space optics?
CapricornNoble · 7 months ago
I'm slightly upset reading this as my first bootstrapped startup was prototyping VERY similar devices....in 2017-2019, until I ran out of money. If I had the resources to make it to production I would have been VERY well positioned to capture sales early on after Russia's 2022 invasion when everyone was experimenting like crazy in the EW space and government funding of COTS equipment was readily available.

sigh

mint2 · 7 months ago
Wouldn’t intentional interference be very illegal to do at random? Sure, hard to get caught but isn’t it illegal?
thatguy0900 · 7 months ago
Jamming is very illegal in the US at least. https://www.fcc.gov/general/jammer-enforcement

Now might be the time to do it though, maybe everyone at the fcc will be fired before your caught.

smitelli · 7 months ago
If you’ve got bored hams around, they’ll catch you.
Etheryte · 7 months ago
Drones are used in active warfare as we speak, legality in civil use is pretty irrelevant in that context.
mint2 · 7 months ago
So you’re clarifying that for 0.1% of HN the legality is not an issue as if those in war zones were wondering?
gessha · 7 months ago
Do we discuss only legal things on the website _Hacker_ News?
internet101010 · 7 months ago
I feel like I should have the right to block someone trying to use a drone to look inside of my windows.
rukuu001 · 7 months ago
I know a guy (Australia) who does this regularly. If a drone flys over his back yard he activates his jammer and the thing makes a controlled vertical descent to his lawn.

100% of the time its neighbourhood kids trying out their toy, and they need to come beg for it back. Then he has the chat about privacy etc etc.

The jammer itself came from Alibaba I think.

brokenmachine · 7 months ago
Nobody is doing that.

But the legal way to do that is by closing your blinds.

anitil · 7 months ago
Very illegal here in Australia. I believe even possession is illegal. Technically even our SDRs need to be below some power threshold, though most probably don't conform.
LorenzoGood · 7 months ago
So a mute jammer from siege.
idunnoman1222 · 7 months ago
12 V power supply … sdr that jams ELRS like they don’t even know what ELRS is or how it works. An SDR that could jam that wide of a frequency all at once would be very, very expensive.

Also you can just buy a purpose made 300 W jammer on AliExpress