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wraptile · 7 months ago
Was hoping this would cover the latest Twitter blunder of Andy Yen endorsing Trump's political picks and saying "republicans are there for small business now" which had a major blow back.

Some context on reddit: https://old.reddit.com/r/ProtonMail/comments/1i2nz9v/on_poli...

huijzer · 7 months ago
I think the blunder is firmly with the people who caused the blowback. I don’t think it’s a good idea to all be up in arms whenever someone says something you disagree with.
fnordsensei · 7 months ago
For context, people were upset about using the official accounts to endorse a party wholesale, in direct violation of their charter.

A subset were also upset with the nature of the endorsement.

And then you could also discuss whether a CEO of a company has to consider what they say, regardless if they're using an official account or not. This is more of a gray area, and has people divided.

I'm personally of the opinion that, as a CEO, you're always representing your company when speaking to the public to some extent.

wraptile · 7 months ago
In my opinion this is clearly a display of a character flaw. I simply don't trust Proton now that it's CEO revealed itself to be of such flawed thought. Isn't that the whole job of a CEO?
sofixa · 7 months ago
> I don’t think it’s a good idea to all be up in arms whenever someone says something you disagree with

Of course not, but there's a difference between disagreeing with which is the best recipe for a cheesecake, the best castle in France, or whether or not it's acceptable to invade your neighbouring countries, if the government should be following the law/constitution, or basic biology, etc.

Some opinions one disagrees with are very worth to be up in arms. I'd even say that people have a civic duty of being up in arms against certain egregious topics. Say if a politician says that they want to allow for 9 year olds to be married to adults; or a rich guy backing multiple politicians all over the world Sieg Heils on national television; or a politician that just got elected is asking for money for favours from companies; or there's talk of "other"ing significant swathes of the population.

Spooky23 · 7 months ago
I don’t think it’s good optics for CEOs to be simping for POTUS without a clear rationale.

Why is a privacy focused company from Switzerland kissing the ring? It’s a relevant question given the business they are in.

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unbrice · 7 months ago
To the best of my knowledge he endorsed specific behavior about specific policies, not "Trump's political picks". I wish topics vaguely adjacent to US politics could be discussed in less divisive and polarized ways.
input_sh · 7 months ago
The tweet in question literally starts with "Great pick by @realDonaldTrump".

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blindriver · 7 months ago
I don't think there is any way that any VPN company can convince me they aren't secretly run by the CIA or some other country's equivalent.
lordofgibbons · 7 months ago
The way I look at it is that my ISP is very open about collecting and selling "anonymized" data based on users' internet usage.

On the other hand, a reputable VPN provider has everything to lose if word got out that they collect or sell information.

The privacy calculus is: 100% chance vs some small chance.

threecheese · 7 months ago
Even if the VPN provider is doing something naughty-ish, just decoupling netflow info from your IRL id/address/financials/probably TV habits info has value. Even if you can’t control the usage of behavior data by multiple organizations, you can try to “anonymize” it at the boundaries between them. Indirection, to minimize how much becomes associated with your identity.

Really only valid for individual company adversaries though, depends on your threat model I guess.

Edit: it’s sad that I need a threat model

GoofballJones · 7 months ago
Legit question: What can an ISP collect when most of the time I'm going to secure "https:" websites? I mean, they can only see the website I'm going to, but not what is going on there, right?

Is just collecting where people are going that lucrative to sell?

Salgat · 7 months ago
That's assuming the financial incentivize of an intelligence agency is not sufficient to cover the risk.
jesperwe · 7 months ago
Not even https://mullvad.net/en/why-mullvad-vpn? (The only VPN I've heard of that allows you to pay anonymously with cash)
loteck · 7 months ago
ipaddr · 7 months ago
It's more most smaller VPN brands are surprisingly owned by one company Nord.. It's not all vpns it's just if you took 100 brands 90 of them are owned leased from Nord
fransje26 · 7 months ago
Well, it wouldn't be the first encryption-related Swiss company run by the CIA. :-)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crypto_AG

cedws · 7 months ago
I don’t know about CIA, but something about Proton has always felt off.
tucnak · 7 months ago
The fact that it's shown in all Hollywood films as "secure" email, and Navy Seals guys on youtube are recommending it in unison—should tell you all you need to know... Not to mention the DDoS protection racket the Israelis (coordinated with the BND) pulled on Proton for traffic analysis. See their own statement on the matter: https://proton.me/support/protonmail-israel-radware

DE-CIX is a known SIGINT collection site.

radicaldreamer · 7 months ago
How about iCloud Private Relay?
jiveturkey · 7 months ago
devwastaken · 7 months ago
ask them why they make deals with swiss government and bend to their political whims. Proton can move anywhere else and not be at the mercy of secret orders and backroom deals. but they seem very content on selling a product that is falsely advertised.

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Febra33 · 7 months ago
I've already switched to Tuta since it's a company that aligns with my own values a lot more. Cancelled my proton subscription.

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est · 7 months ago
idk but VPN is currently the #10 top free app in US apptore.

https://apps.apple.com/us/charts/iphone

simondanerd · 7 months ago
I wouldn't think VPN Super Unlimited Proxy (https://www.mobilejump.mobi/) is on-par with Proton VPN (https://protonvpn.com/).

Still interesting that it's #10 though.

est · 7 months ago
damn the HN title got changed. The original title was "VPN is now the resistance tool of choice in authoritarian regimes" I thought its pretty funny that another VPN app is listed as #10.