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Posted by u/ghoomketu a year ago
Ask HN: Seeking device to normalize audio output for consistent volume levels
Hello hn. I'm looking for a device that I can insert between the audio output and speaker to normalize the audio.

The goal is to ensure that sudden loud noises don't become overwhelming and quieter parts sound reasonably the same.

My reason for doing this is because it's so hard to watch movies these days because of the inconsistent volume levels (2x harder at night).

Any suggestions or recommendations on specific products or solutions would be greatly appreciated! Any DIY suggestions are also welcome too.

shadyfroyo · a year ago
You’re looking for a compressor.

Lots of pro audio boxes out there.

A MiniDSP box where you can implement a compressor is fun, you can also tune just about everything else with it.

https://docs.minidsp.com/product-manuals/flex/dsp-reference/...

mcallaster · a year ago
Seconded on MiniDSP being a great solution.

You can have four different presets for different signal processing. The important part is that you can set them up how YOU want. Proprietary black box DSP parameters labeled as “night mode” or “movie mode” are hardly descriptive enough for my taste.

It is also worth mentioning that if you decide to get a Dirac model/license, it is locked to the device instead of the purchaser. This is big deal for resale value, as many receivers lock licenses to the purchaser (and aren’t readily transferrable to new gear).

I am a big fan of what they are doing in the space. I recently purchased a HTX from them for my living room and I have been as happy as a clam.

neuralRiot · a year ago
I used to love MiniDSP but now it uses “Dirac” so you need 2 accounts one in dirac and another in MiniDSP, install 2 different softwares that work together(?) you get the download links (drivers and software) for the products you purchased from your account. Too cumbersome and time-wasting for pros.
madphilosopher · a year ago
A compressor is the right answer. If you lean toward more old-school audio engineering, I would recommend one of these compressors:

* Alesis 3630

* DBX 166 or 266

* FMR Audio Really Nice Compressor

Explore the various demos on YouTube to see what these are about. The compressor goes between your audio source and your amplifier. I personally use the Alesis 3630 for normalizing the audio in my ham radio transceiver setup.

not_your_vase · a year ago
1 - Get an amplifier that has a "Night Mode" function. It has been a basic function on most AV-receivers in the past decade+, assuming you don't buy the most pedestrian model. It compresses the dynamic range of the sound, to avoid the loud parts waking up the neighbors while you can also hear the conversations. Of course here you are looking for an investment of between $350 and $inf. Buying secondhand can save big bucks.

2 - Use a PC for your video needs. Most video players support the same function (VLC, GOM player, Kodi... look for "dynamic range compression" and similar options). A 10 years old mid-tier machine will play everything including UHD, so this solution is fairly cheap. If you get a cheap IR-USB remote, you won't even have to mess with keyboard and mouse.

rollcat · a year ago
> 2 - Use a PC for your video needs.

I would like to second this recommendation. I've put my work desk in the living room; the 43" screen doubles as a (non-smart!) TV; instead of futzing with remotes I have a wireless mouse, an on-screen keyboard, and a macOS/iOS shortcut to switch the display between 2x (couch mode) and 1.5x (desk mode), which could also take care of audio routing, DND, lights, etc.

Using a real mouse + virtual keyboard is so much faster than ANY remote I've ever used, and if you're not into clicking, you can type with a "real" wireless keyboard[0]. Another upside, is you get to watch things in the browser - with a proper ad blocker - instead of half a dozen confusing TV apps. Setting everything up takes a bit more effort than plugging a stick into an HDMI port, but it immediately starts paying off.

[0]: https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/d/microsoft-all-in-one-media... via friend's recommendation, they have a very similar setup with a projector and MS Windows.

not_your_vase · a year ago
Depends on your usecase and preferences, I guess. I have a dedicated PC connected permanently to my TV and amp. During the day I use it listen to webradios, without turning on the TV. For this, I just press play on my remote, and it's on. When I leave, I just press stop. You get the idea.

In the evening, when I watch a movie, it's just my personal preference - I like to kind of disassociate from computers. A remote helps. Also, being able to change the volume blindly, without looking at the remote is something that other interfaces have yet to emulate.

Of course not saying that everyone should use it - if a mouse is better for you, go for it, what do I care :D But remotes definitely have a place with today's HTPCs also IMO.

yellow_lead · a year ago
Ive been using KDE Connect for years now, on many different devices and OS. Highly recommend. Basically a remote mouse and keyboard on your phone. The latency is very good too.
AngryData · a year ago
Personally I love to use my steam controller for my TV-PC setup. Unfortunately they stopped making them, but they are still fairly easy to get I believe. Works excellent for media browsing and playing, and the onboard keyboard works great with the dual thumb touchpads. The only real downside is having to have steam running in the background to have more than just the basic mouse function but that isn't a big deal.
adrianmsmith · a year ago
> Using a real mouse + virtual keyboard is so much faster than ANY remote I've ever used, and if you're not into clicking, you can type with a "real" wireless keyboard[0]

I've had a good experience with Logitech K830. Illuminated keys, I've dropped it so many times in the 10 years I've owned it, even spilled coffee all over it, still works well.

diggan · a year ago
> 1 - Get an amplifier that has a "Night Mode" function

Well, or get a compressor/limiter that you can jank into any signal chain, so you don't have to buy a whole new amplifier. You can find cheap compressors/limiters for like under $100 I'm sure.

LM358 · a year ago
This would be a good option provided the source is stereo and either the speakers are active or the amplifier has a processor loop.
randomfinn · a year ago
If your source is Dolby Digital, you may not need anything new - just adjusting your settings. Dynamic range compression is a standard feature, and the bitstream should already include the necessary metadata for the decoder to implement this.

It's been a while since I looked into this in detail, but iirc the decoder must automatically enable dynamic range compression when it's set to two channel output. So avoid configurations where you first convert the audio to 5.1 channel PCM or analog, and then apply downmixing or virtual surround.

If you're using a surround system, most receivers have a night mode as mentioned by others already. Some have also an adaptive system that adjusts the dynamic range based on your volume setting - turn it up and you get the full dynamic range, turn it down and the dynamic range is compressed more as you set the volume lower to try to keep the dialog audible. Many receivers include a microphone for automatic settings, and after calibration know the actual output level. The Dolby Digital bitstream (and I think DTS) include a flag to indicate the overall dialog level, and based on these a receiver can do quite a good job. Some I think go only by the DD metadata, others have a compressor that can be applied to any input.

shermantanktop · a year ago
FYI, the place to put such a device is definitely not between the amplifier and the speaker. You want it on the audio input to the amplifier.

Unfortunately modern receivers have preamps that do a ton of digital decoding, input switching and other stuff, making the audio signal between the preamp and the amp impossible to get to. That leaves you with receiver features like night mode, as suggested by others.

marssaxman · a year ago
This kind of device is called a "compressor", and they are ubiquitous in recording studios. They can get very expensive and complicated, but for your purpose something like this may suffice:

https://www.amazon.com/rolls-SL33B-Stereo-Program-Limiter/dp...

Specifically what you want is a "stereo compressor" or "compressor/limiter"; if you want something more sophisticated than the device above, there are many 1U rack options available for ~$200 (dbx is a good choice), or used on reverb.com more like $70-$100.

ghoomketu · a year ago
Thank you. Appreciate the reply. These gadgets are rather costly tbh. I did some digging around on YouTube for the compressor and I found this:

https://youtu.be/d3XxckqoeXE

Is it doing the same thing? Seems rather easy and cheap to make.

marssaxman · a year ago
That is a clever design, and yes, it's doing the same thing. If you have electronics assembly skills, why not? Sounds like fun.

There's no reason a simple compressor suitable for your purpose should have to be expensive; there just isn't much of a market for such a device.

If you're open to used gear, another good option would be an Alesis Nanocompressor - available in the $70-$90 range: https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_nkw=alesis+nanocompressor&_...

neom · a year ago
And just in case for fun, you want to know about the other end of the spectrum from the recommendations you'll likely get, here is the Rolls Royce version of what you're asking about: https://teenage.engineering/store/tx-6
alexjplant · a year ago
At the risk of sounding like a hater there is _nothing_ "Rolls Royce" about a six-channel digital mixer that sells for $1200. No mic pres, tiny unlabeled controls, and six channels of God-knows-what conversion tied together with rudimentary functions implemented in a decade-old $15 DSP SoC is a toy. This is a device for generating Instagram likes, not a serious piece of A/V or music production gear. Under no circumstances should OP buy this.

At least the Pocket Operators are reasonably priced and the OP-1 has some quirky uniqueness to it. The TX-6 is a brazen cash grab on par with their $1600 Ikea table [1].

[1] https://teenage.engineering/store/field-desk

neom · a year ago
You know that meme with the guy sweating looking at two red buttons? That was me before hitting post on my original post, lol.

I get it, but honestly, I actually think you're wrong about the TX-6, there is actually no comparable product to it on the market at all when you consider it's full end to end functionality, I also know one guy who has nothing else TE but sought out TX-6 because of it's pretty unique combination of attributes taking it's physical size/IO as part of the framing. I have a lot of their stuff because I enjoy it, but I do agree that everything outside of the OP-1, the TX-6 and the CM-15, are just toys. (The TP-7 is cool, but the most egregious all their products imo)

I think this guy totally nailed it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=woiCEx5nWZY

TylerE · a year ago
No, that’s the Tesla Ctbwetruck version. TE is ridiculously overpriced and form over function. You can get way better compressors for a couple hundred bucks
PaulHoule · a year ago
I'd go get a pro rackmount compressor on Ebay first

https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_nkw=audio+compressor

I had fond memories of using one at the KTEK college radio station where I was (first) the public relations officer and (later) the engineer. I was told we got it so that amateur DJs wouldn't saturate the transmitter. When I told my high school physics teacher (a classical music audiophile) about it I got a sharp talking to about how it hurts audio quality. Today I know it was an early shot in "the loudness wars".

(If you're listening in a car or other noisy environment, dynamic range is a bug and not a feature, however.)

6-channels would be enough for the typical 5.1 system but the "stereo" label on that expensive box makes it seem like it wouldn't do the right thing for home theater, where I think you'd want to reduce the gain in all 6 of the channel by the same amount.

pimlottc · a year ago
When it comes to hifi audio, $1,000 doesn't get you the Rolls Royce version of /anything/

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ajb · a year ago
This can be done in software, eg https://askubuntu.com/questions/31580/is-there-a-way-of-leve... for linux.

I guess that you're asking for hardware because the source device is not under your control. In theory you could use any device with a line in to process the audio. However for watching movies that may be suboptimal as any significant delay would cause lipsync issues. That's probably something you need to check for in any solution.

diggan · a year ago
Not that OPs use case seems latency sensitive, but it can be good to know for others. If you go this route, you'd have to set things up very carefully as latency balloons up quickly if you pipe things outside>computer>outside. If you're just looking for reducing the dynamic range, cheap compressor for sub-$100 would do the trick without adding much latency.