a POSIWID view of this is that these "government reveals UAP secrets" stories always seems like a way to issue an interrupt and neutralize volatility in another mainstream story by redirecting attention to it. it's a popular distraction tactic with a lever attached to it. a hearing like this only takes a few days to a couple of weeks to schedule and arrange, and time spent mulling the story is time not spent on the present issues. UAPs aren't secret, it's a managed narrative.
we don't need official disclosures to have serious conversations about consequences, meaning, and what we can learn from the fact of being observed. the best are probably already elaborated in fiction, notably in the star trek franchise regarding the species wide and civilizational reorientation impacts of first contact.
if anything, the need for these performative hearings indicates how far off human civilization is from an official first contact, (I would estimate at least another century or more) because they exist to nudge a very long tail of people who are psychologically and culturally unprepared for it. by unprepared, I mean their strategy for negotiating in the world will revert to a zero sum material nihilism, like that of an animal or less than human, instead of elevate their perspective to an infinite sum openness to the possibilities of a nagivable universe.
in other words, it's a way to wag the dog and deflect attention.
Lauren Bobert gets up in front of the country during a conspiracy theory session and says dumb shit, and the news runs with it.
meanwhile Trump is actively plotting to shoe-horn foreign assets into intelligence roles, fire most generals, and generally enact revenge -- Bobo is just a distracting to make sure that happens with less optics.
I'm not sure the existing cliches cover it. There is a way to look at these disclosures based on their effects and consequences. it breaks up some of the post election momentum with a base who loves this stuff and neutralizes them from acting (on what I don't know). it's a way to change the subject.
the next couple of years are going to be amazing for UAP watchers anyway, I'd predict it's going to be one of to go-to cards the bureaucracy has left to play in response to popular scrutiny of their value.
The issue, allegedly, is that any such evidence is classified. So presently it only could be disclosed to those with sufficient clearance. And while I'd love for us all to see it, I don't think this topic can be written off just because we're not seeing close-up 4K footage yet.
These are reputable ex-govt officials (except Schellenberger) that are testifying under oath to Congress. If they're caught lying, they can go to prison. I understand that human testimony is not very good scientific evidence, but considering the circumstances, I see enough reason for Congress to at least take their claims seriously and investigate them to the fullest extent possible.
And if the government is openly investigating UFOs, I'm certainly interested in that. Either it's true, and it's the biggest story in the history of mankind, or it's a psy-op, and also a huge story of intentional misdirection and lies. But tbh if you follow the lore, there's a solid chance that what they're saying is true.
The title is edited to be more clickbait than the actual article title.
I also find it amusing that Russia, China, EU and the US fought wars, proxies, engage in espionage and were very close to global nuclear war on a few occasions. But they always have the unwavering commitment to hide any evidence about aliens /s. Among generations and different leaderships without doubt.
What surprises me is that how, in a social media-driven world starved for original content, that countries whose cybersecurity policy is a chicken wire fence can keep such massive programs secret.
After all, people believe China and the Soviet Union colluded with the USA during deepest Cold War to hide evidence that the Moon landings were fake. It actually makes more sense if you believe that aliens must be part of that deal somehow.
Everything is aliens, except hiding the aliens which is just Deep State and Trump+Musk can solve it tomorrow.
If you start with an assumption that "alien threat comes above all else" then I can imagine building a conspiracy case on top of that with governments that hate each other but hold hands when it comes to hiding/countering that threat.
Like any other argument or reasoning, it's as strong as its weakest link, or the foundation it's built on.
I figured the model was that they're all keeping it secret for competitive reasons, especially if they're all trying to derive tech from it. Maybe if you admit aliens are real, the public demands you show off the resulting new toys, and the skunkworks types don't like that. Especially if they're not actually ready.
As a Swede, I have pondered over something similar. Nobody I have ever met have been in USA. It's obviously a satire made up by illuminati to enrage the masses while they dismantle the welfare system /s
In the same way that viruses can randomly embed themselves into human DNA, memes can randomly embed themselves into our social DNA. This is a prime example.
Doesn't work because memes don't have their own locomotion. Meme distribution and embed is not random, they're consciously promoted at some point by someone.
Nothing like wasting time and getting a nice pay check for it.
How about spending time on fixing issues that will affect US Citizens. Like funding for Social Security and Medicare ?
Oh wait, that means they will actually have to think about real world problems instead of sitting, drinking coffee and asking people dumb questions no one cares about.
The universe is 13.8 billion years old. The JWST has found galaxies formed just 400 million years after the Big Bang. It took the earth 4.6 billion years to form, and 1 billion years to create life.
Our best theory of the universe, General Relativity, has solutions that allow for faster-than-light travel via some Alcubierre type drive (some [without negative mass](https://arxiv.org/abs/2405.02709)), and even wormholes.
Even with newtonian mechanic style solutions, it's estimated that it would only take Von Neumann self-replicating probes about 100k years to traverse our own galaxy.
Is it really that unlikely that some non-human intelligence potentially *billions* of years more advanced than us found our planet and uses it to study us or for whatever other purposes to them? IMO no.
And if you would do any research beyond just the headlines, you might come to the realization that our probably has government has recovered crashed/landed NHI craft.
I'm happy to point you to some not-so-light reading if you want to have a real conversation about this.
A civilisation billions of years more advanced than us should surely be putting out some sort of signal, intentionally or not, that they exist, right? And yet we've never seen any kind of signal like that. Space is incomprehensibly large and empty, and while I also absolutely believe that there is some other kind of life in the universe, the fact that we've never detected any means they've probably never detected us either, so there's no reason they would be coming here
> Is it really that unlikely that some non-human intelligence potentially billions of years more advanced than us
I think there's a fine-tuning problem with that kind of argument. You have to believe all the steps that make intelligent space-faring life elsewhere come into being, and yet only one other manages to do so. If there were more than one, then it seems to me the same argument about government conspiracies would apply: every single one of them would have to work very hard to hide any evidence of their existence - not just from our mobile phones, but our most advanced telescopes.
I think if there were others close enough to matter, we'd have been colonised by an errant Von Neumann machine by now.
>> Representative Lauren Boebert (R-CO) asked panelists if they are familiar with "rumors that have come up to the Hill of a secretive project within the Department of Defense involving the manipulation of human genetics with what is described as non-human genetic material, potentially for the enhancement of human capabilities – hybrids." All four speakers said no
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we don't need official disclosures to have serious conversations about consequences, meaning, and what we can learn from the fact of being observed. the best are probably already elaborated in fiction, notably in the star trek franchise regarding the species wide and civilizational reorientation impacts of first contact.
if anything, the need for these performative hearings indicates how far off human civilization is from an official first contact, (I would estimate at least another century or more) because they exist to nudge a very long tail of people who are psychologically and culturally unprepared for it. by unprepared, I mean their strategy for negotiating in the world will revert to a zero sum material nihilism, like that of an animal or less than human, instead of elevate their perspective to an infinite sum openness to the possibilities of a nagivable universe.
Lauren Bobert gets up in front of the country during a conspiracy theory session and says dumb shit, and the news runs with it.
meanwhile Trump is actively plotting to shoe-horn foreign assets into intelligence roles, fire most generals, and generally enact revenge -- Bobo is just a distracting to make sure that happens with less optics.
the next couple of years are going to be amazing for UAP watchers anyway, I'd predict it's going to be one of to go-to cards the bureaucracy has left to play in response to popular scrutiny of their value.
These are reputable ex-govt officials (except Schellenberger) that are testifying under oath to Congress. If they're caught lying, they can go to prison. I understand that human testimony is not very good scientific evidence, but considering the circumstances, I see enough reason for Congress to at least take their claims seriously and investigate them to the fullest extent possible.
And if the government is openly investigating UFOs, I'm certainly interested in that. Either it's true, and it's the biggest story in the history of mankind, or it's a psy-op, and also a huge story of intentional misdirection and lies. But tbh if you follow the lore, there's a solid chance that what they're saying is true.
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I also find it amusing that Russia, China, EU and the US fought wars, proxies, engage in espionage and were very close to global nuclear war on a few occasions. But they always have the unwavering commitment to hide any evidence about aliens /s. Among generations and different leaderships without doubt.
Everything is aliens, except hiding the aliens which is just Deep State and Trump+Musk can solve it tomorrow.
Like any other argument or reasoning, it's as strong as its weakest link, or the foundation it's built on.
And until we run out of bubble gum, there is no way out of it.
Was it these guys: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Lone_Gunmen ?
> "conveys the idea of a unit of cultural transmission, or a unit of imitation".
How about spending time on fixing issues that will affect US Citizens. Like funding for Social Security and Medicare ?
Oh wait, that means they will actually have to think about real world problems instead of sitting, drinking coffee and asking people dumb questions no one cares about.
Our best theory of the universe, General Relativity, has solutions that allow for faster-than-light travel via some Alcubierre type drive (some [without negative mass](https://arxiv.org/abs/2405.02709)), and even wormholes.
Even with newtonian mechanic style solutions, it's estimated that it would only take Von Neumann self-replicating probes about 100k years to traverse our own galaxy.
Is it really that unlikely that some non-human intelligence potentially *billions* of years more advanced than us found our planet and uses it to study us or for whatever other purposes to them? IMO no.
And if you would do any research beyond just the headlines, you might come to the realization that our probably has government has recovered crashed/landed NHI craft.
I'm happy to point you to some not-so-light reading if you want to have a real conversation about this.
I feel most intelligent people understand there's life elsewhere in the universe.
Also, people don't automatically assume said life come here and visit us all of the time just because they presumably exist.
I think there's a fine-tuning problem with that kind of argument. You have to believe all the steps that make intelligent space-faring life elsewhere come into being, and yet only one other manages to do so. If there were more than one, then it seems to me the same argument about government conspiracies would apply: every single one of them would have to work very hard to hide any evidence of their existence - not just from our mobile phones, but our most advanced telescopes.
I think if there were others close enough to matter, we'd have been colonised by an errant Von Neumann machine by now.
Stopped reading when I saw this person's name.