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Posted by u/TheLoneCat a year ago
Ask HN: Learning to interact correctly in online communities as a neurodivergent
I often encounter negative reactions in online communities, such as downvotes, being mistaken for a troll, and being misunderstood constantly. It also happens in person, although to a lesser extent, since I can rely on my body language and close friends to help convey my message, as they probably know me so well to infer my meaning from my, I guess, strange communication pattern. Weirdly, on the other hand, when it comes to explaining something I get complimented on how clear I make it (cue the comment "you could make a child understand quantum physics").

The negativity I face online, though, has led me to withdraw from participating in these communities, opting instead to lurk. The toll it takes on my mental health is significant, which also makes me worried about the reactions I might receive here, but I chose to post on HN because I believe it to be one of the most tolerant online communities, so I'll bite the bullet for what may well be the last time.

All in all, I'm at a crossroads and unsure of how to proceed. I've considered trying to imitate others, but I find it difficult, if not impossible. I've also attempted to use AI as a crutch, the way I "use" my friends to help me "translate" my thoughts, but that has often resulted in even more negative feedback. It has gone on and off for 15 years and I haven't made much progress. So, do you have any actionable suggestion? Thanks.

gtirloni · a year ago
Actionable suggestion that I use for myself: ask yourself mutiple times WHY you're posting something. If you're satisfied with your reason(s), go ahead, be yourself, learn to have a thicker skin.

This has helped me to not post when it was simply me having a knee jerk reaction. It also help to consider what you're getting from it and what you're giving others.

When you reset to your default habits and possibly get bad reactions from people, be honest and evaluate how you communicated and whether their reaction is really not warranted (in your perspective). At times, I've been inconsiderate and obnoxious and got bad reactions. I try to accept that because any other reaction would actually be unexpected. Yes, we all mess up sometimes.

readyplayernull · a year ago
This is a good advice. Another technique, write but don't hit the post button. Let it sit there for a few hours, then re-read and think what others would interpret.
nullindividual · a year ago
> I'm at a crossroads and unsure of how to proceed.

Have you considered that perhaps online communities are simply unhealthy and withdrawing (at least to lurking) is the best course of action?

PaulHoule · a year ago
I think some are healthy and some aren’t.

There are places where people will help you with your photography problems (dpreview.com) or who will get close to you and enjoy your avatar and praise you (VRChat) and then there are places where people believe there are two kinds of people and you better know what kind I am (Twitter clones)

Yawrehto · a year ago
You might find it easier in primarily neurodivergent communities. In my experience, Mastodon has a lot of neurodivergent people - there are (at least) two servers especially for us, neurodifferent.me and autistics.life.

Also, don't use AI - it sounds wrong and bland. For me, I tend to adopt the writing style of what I've been reading recently (it's most notable when I pause what I'm writing and come back to it after reading something from the 1800s) so I might recommend reading it for a while to get your brain in that mode and then maybe posting, if you also do that.

Best of luck!

romanhn · a year ago
I agree about having AI write the text, it's usually easy to tell that something is off. I do wonder if there's some merit in having AI analyze and give feedback on comments prior to posting them. Something along the lines of: "How might this comment be interpreted by readers?" and iterating until the feedback is positive.
more_corn · a year ago
One of the things that I’ve found interesting about neurodivergent people who are sometimes offensive is that they are not abnormally hard to offend. I’m not neurodivergent so I hesitate to speak to your experience but perhaps try this.

Before engaging, ask yourself, if positions were reversed how would hearing this make me feel? Is that how I want people to feel when reading what I wrote?

Treat it like a chess game. If I do X (call out their ignorance for example) they will do Y (feel attacked and shut down). Do I want them doing Y? If not, what do I want?

Everything you say and do, does things to other people’s thoughts and emotions. If you want them to feel good, follow the feeling good script (honest engagement with their positive qualities, friendly behavior, active listening, positive engagement with what they’re saying) if you want to pick a fight follow the fight picking script (say rude things, call names, make people feel bad)

Sorry if that all sounds stupid. While following my own advice I realized that what I said could sound painfully obvious, and maybe is offensive and patronizing. In my defense I don’t know what’s obvious to you and what is not.

So if it helps and made you feel good you’re welcome. If it’s offensive or I made things worse, I apologize. (See what I did there? Predicted how what I said might make someone feel)?

PaulHoule · a year ago
Hard to make a recommendation without a diagnosis, hard to make a diagnosis without information. You don’t have a posting history on HN so I can’t observe the behavior you’re talking about which would be the obvious place to try some debugging.

(you could look through comments of my HN comments and occasionally see someone point out a sign of my condition)

kmoser · a year ago
Also, every online community has a different set of standards (not to mention a different number of trolls). What flies on HN might not on NextDoor, and vice-versa.

Maybe OP can point us to online forums where they've posted, and/or provide some examples of conversations where they've been misunderstood?

magnetowasright · a year ago
I'm Autistic and ADHD and struggle a lot with different aspects of communication.

Have you considered accessing supports like seeing a psychologist, a speech therapist, or occupational therapist that works with adults? You've got a pretty clear goal, wanting to communicate more effectively in writing/in online spaces, and spending a few months (or however long) working on that goal with a professional can help you build the skills in that area. I suggest finding a professional because it's not really possible to learn and build communication skills alone, and trying to learn from how people react to you in online spaces hasn't helped, and having someone who actually has your best interest in mind is hopefully going be more helpful than anything else.

Others have highlighted some ideas around reevaluating which communities you spend time in, and while, yeah, sure there are parts of the internet that might be worth reconsidering taking part in, that doesn't really help you engage and connect in the ways you want to. Even otherwise okay online spaces can be really tough for neurodivergent people. I hope you can figure it out

a-saleh · a year ago
Find smaller communities where this is less of a problem? Possibly filled with neurodivergent people you click with?

Like, there is a reason Discord I am most active in is full of people that have ADHD. And big chunk on spectrum. And big chunk queer.

Other thing I presonally often use is ... many times I got bad reaction online, it was because I posted my opinion on particular thing, and too many people took it as if I am stating an universally true fact. So I am adding little extra things that make it clearer that I am not making universal statements.

I.e. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38899647 I spent 5 lines advocating how diversity is the best - but I still end on "But I do understand the pull of insular culture and small villages, where diversity is less of a virtue."

the__alchemist · a year ago
Could you please provide an example conversation?