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AlexErrant · 2 years ago
I've been using GitHub code search a lot to get examples of how people use APIs or designing features. It's quite good.

I recently did this to figure out how to insert JSON into Sqlite's FTS5 https://github.com/brouberol/5esheets/pull/292

I didn't use AI because for these things because for some things (database design, constructing a grammar) you _really_ want to understand your code completely, and I don't want to deal with hallucinations.

coyotespike · 2 years ago
Yes, GitHub code search is much better than Googling for the same information.

And ChatGPT can't show you the whole codebase which is important to understand structure - plus sometimes it's easier to surf around a few files than have ChatGPT print at you.

pentaphobe · 2 years ago
Entirely off topic, but I hope referring to AI art as "generative art" doesn't catch on

There's such a great and rich world of generative art (explorations of algorithmic aesthetics, not AI generated) which is probably already endangered by the influx of the recent AI boon - would be a shame for it to be further buried by naming overload

ilkke · 2 years ago
I'd prefer 'generative ai' as the common term. It rubs me the wrong way that human artists are 'content creators' while this is supposed to be 'art'
ilkke · 2 years ago
And in case it wasn't clear, I agree 100% with you. There's an amazing generative scene I've been following since the early naughties
pentaphobe · 2 years ago
That's a really interesting point, "content creators" always gave me a weird feeling but I never really thought on it, assuming it was just because it reeked of euphemism

Odd that we've collectively ended up giving human creativity a term that sounds like a tool or automaton, while giving the automatons our term.

Thanks for the chin scratcher!

zikzak · 2 years ago
I tried Kagi and even signed up for the basic plan but ultimately cancelled. If the basic plan included twice as many searches per month, I'd be all in. However, I find Startpage results are "just as good" and free. I didn't use a lot of the other Kagi tools.

So make it cost less or offer more and I'm in Kagi!

GoldenRacer · 2 years ago
I've been using kagi and that's my biggest complaint. Upgrading from the basic plan seems like a lot of money but being on the basic plan, I have mental friction every time I do a search because I have anxiety about running out of searches. I actually haven't ran out in the 3 months I've been using it for but I don't like the anxiety 300 searches/month creates for me and maybe I would run out if I didn't have the anxiety limiting me
hedora · 2 years ago
I just paid for the new unlimited plan, and haven’t looked back. I agree about the 300 searches per month thing. I feel like I run many more than that, but haven’t counted.
tarkin2 · 2 years ago
For me LLMs feel like a lecture where you understand all the words and ideas but once you leave you realise you really haven't understood anything new but you perhaps have some new avenues to explore. More of an advanced exploratory tool.
layer8 · 2 years ago
One tip for Google Search is to add `tbs=li:1` as a query parameter to your search shortcut to activate verbatim search. You can also use `num=100` to get more results at once.
loginx · 2 years ago
Does that do the same thing as simply putting quotes around your search term?
layer8 · 2 years ago
No, it does the same thing as selecting Tools > [All results >] Verbatim.

Putting quotes in addition is still necessary when searching for a phrase, or when you have multiple search terms you want all to appear in every hit (though that's still not 100% reliable).

jerhewet · 2 years ago
Keyword search without SEO trash is EXACTLY what I want, and Marginalia sounds like it might fit the bill. Looking forward to seeing how well it performs over the next couple of weeks!
Zambyte · 2 years ago
Definitely not to detract from using Marginalia directly, but I think it's worth noting that Kagi actually uses them as one of several external sources[0]. I think the Small Web filter leans on their results.

[0] https://help.kagi.com/kagi/search-details/search-sources.htm...

marginalia_nu · 2 years ago
(I built the thing)

It's still a bit rough around the edges and technically limited. Index is pretty small too, definitely no straight up replacement for anything, but surprisingly often it provides a useful minority report where other engines fail.

xnx · 2 years ago
ein0p · 2 years ago
I only search if GPT4 does not provide what I need, which in about 80% of cases it does. My use cases tend to be ones where it’s fairly obvious if the results are true or not, which, once again, they are in the vast majority of my requests, and even when GPT4 is wrong it’s often “usefully wrong” in the sense that it gives me better idea of what to search for in traditional search engines.
visarga · 2 years ago
I only search google when I need to visit a site, for information I use GPT4, it also has search.

Other times I am using phind.com and perplexity.com for LLM powered searches - when I need the model to summarise the results of a search