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Posted by u/thepablohansen a year ago
Ask HN: How do you decide who/what to vote for?
Over the past few election cycles (local, state, and national), I've generally had a difficult time gathering enough information to determine which political initiatives or representatives align with my notion of a high-functioning government.

Why is there no platform that contains the political history of candidates (what they voted for, recent remarks, etc.) and similar information for ballots? Does something like this exist that I'm simply not aware of?

So, how do you gather information to vote on candidates and ballot measures? Do you find a publication with similar political views as yours and vote for their recommendations? (e.g., https://www.sfchronicle.com/projects/2024/california-primary-election-endorsements/#us-senate-full-term-anchor)

toast0 · a year ago
IMHO, local government is the one that matters most, because your vote has the most sway.

Hopefully you have a functional, if barebones, local newspaper, that reports on at least some of the happenings of city council / county board meetings / etc local boards. Combine that with candidate statements (when present, but know that candidates have to pay per word to put those in --- to pay for translation and printing costs). My criteria are 1) does this person appear to make rational decisions and learn from experience. (Are they providing effective and honest government) 2) Does this person tend to make decisions I would like. Usually, I would pick a rational person over a person who does things all over the place but often in directions I prefer --- but not if the effective agent is specifically against my interests.

I look for specificity in candiate statements, but will not vote for candidates who promise things outside the baliwick of office (ex: mayoral candidates promising to fix schools; when schools are generally controlled by a school board, not the apparatus of city government), or unreasonable things (government moves too slowly: open meeting laws require significant advance notice of proposed action - a local elected official can't (shouldn't) do things quickly and promising to do so implies significant misunderstanding of the workings).

For propositions, I read the submitted statements, and the 'non partisan' summary by the election personell, and sometimes the actual text. I try to consider the difference between the intent and the text, and if the text will be effective. In CA especially, I also consider how much of a pain it will be in 10-50 years when it's obsolete but hard to get rid of; and if this is a good idea, why couldn't it get passed as a regular law. In WA, it's less critical, because the state supreme court blocks or makes ineffective a lot of propositions if they feel it addresses something that is the proper job of the legislature.

I abstain from non-binding advisory votes, unless they're on a topic I care deeply about, because I feel they're insulting. For examlple, by WA proposition, we have to see an advisory vote on new taxes, but it's meaningless; the proposition specified the votes were binding, but the supreme court ruled that taxes are the job of legislature, and the people can't usurp it. I would vote to repeal the now useless proposition.

MountainMan1312 · a year ago
I vote for people who share my values. I do not vote for people who are against my values. As no politicians share my values, and as I do not believe in lesser-evilism, I haven't voted in a long time.
bruce511 · a year ago
Failure to vote, is not voting-for-no one. It is spliting your vote 50/50.

If you're happy with that then by all means, don't vote.

But please then don't complain about taxes, or depending, or policy, or whatever. If you think its all the same, then what's the point of complaining.

Personally, I don't think you'll ever find a politician who shares your exact set of values, much less a party. That's OK. For me, one party represents more of my values than the other. When push comes to shove I'd be happier with more than less.

MountainMan1312 · a year ago
Which genocide should I be more in favor of?
fargle · a year ago
i don't do this. while it's a romantic ideal to "not believe in lesser-evilism", it doesn't help anyone. someone is going to be elected, with or without your voluntary participation.

so rather than vote (or not) for the "lesser evil", i take the approach to objectively look at the probability of benefit to my own situation, period. don't anthropomorphize politicians (or larry ellison).

adjusting for lying, external factors, etc., maximize for your own objective, concrete, benefit. relative "evil"-ness is not a valid factor. for once being selfish is exactly the right thing to do - if everyone did this, then it would yield the best result for the greatest number of people.

if you feel like being romantic or heroic, then look at it as you are selecting for things that best benefit your "values" (as if that word has anything to do with politics) and therefore automatically benefit like minded other folks (who are obviously the "good" ones then) too.

ttymck · a year ago
> objectively look at the probability of benefit to my own situation, period.

> for once being selfish is exactly the right thing to do - if everyone did this, then it would yield the best result for the greatest number of people.

This assumes a sufficient number of people are capable of _accurately_ assessing what is in their best interest. To some, this might sound as romantic as not believing in lesser-evilism.

Dead Comment

aristofun · a year ago
It’s usually easy to see if someone full of shit or not.

Just gather few interviews, check out opposite perspectives on the person at question. And with a little bit of intuition and some logic - it’s no brainer.

codingdave · a year ago
https://ballotpedia.org/ is where I go. It has a ton of information, and while all political content is going to have some spin to it, they appear to try to present all sides fairly.
giantg2 · a year ago
It can also be worth checking out ontheissues.org. I tend to like their bullet format with the link to the voting records.
nradov · a year ago
vik0 · a year ago
Oh wow, this is a fun website. Thanks for sharing!
Shekelphile · a year ago
Right now I vote for the party whose stated goal is not the eradication of a minority group that I am part of.
hulitu · a year ago
Pirate party ?
qup · a year ago
Green party?
joshxyz · a year ago
I don't vote. The statistical insignificance of me changing the outcomes and the net benefit I get from it is a joke.

These people don't even know I exist.

edit:

also, biden is not my president.

(bc im not a us citizen lol, we have other clowns in our local circus)

hulitu · a year ago
> also, biden is not my president.

> (bc im not a us citizen lol,

Are you sure ? I'm also not an US citizen but when Biden says something, my country executes.

decafninja · a year ago
I'll vote for anyone who isn't Trump, hasn't sworn fealty to Trump, and isn't likely to kowtow to Trump or his acolytes and their agenda. That basically means a Democrat, but it also means writing in my neigbor's cat if that is the alternative to a Trumpist candidate.

There are "establishment" Republicans I still respect and might vote for under normal circumstances, but not in today's political environment.

That said, I disagree with a ton of things with the Democratic party and liberals/progressives in general too, but at this point, purging Trumpism is what I see as most important.

Yes, I understand there are broader issues that fueled the rise in Trumpism in the first place, and agree they need to be handled and heard.

wumeow · a year ago
People will make fun of you for being unsophisticated, but it really is this simple.
HenryBemis · a year ago
I don't live in the US, so I don't 'interfere'. I do monitor/watch US tv/media online (i.e. Tucker Carlson AND Stephen Colbert AND SNL AND others..)(yeah I know..)

I also listen to podcasts, and very recently Lex Fridman had Mark Cuban on (I've binged at least 10y worth of Shark Tank in the past). There was one thing that Mark Cuban said that it hit me. "Trump never admits being wrong" (or something to that effect). And since he's a human (with 3 marriages, a porn-star affair/whatever-that-was while married, everyone near him quits or goes to prison, etc. It hit me! "He never admits being wrong". I then thought my early years in life, where all the bad stuff happening to me were always 'someone else's fault - never mine'. And then I grew up (?!) and I know and admit when I drop the ball, apologise, make things good, learn & grow and move on.

But "never does anything wrong" and "always the fault of other people" are two huge red flags. I do invest in US stocks and ETFs, so whoever you (folks in the USA) vote for, please make sure the economy goes strong :)

gabrielsroka · a year ago
Mark Cuban about Trump

> never admits a mistake

https://youtu.be/0cn3VBjfN8g?t=1h35m55s