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xrd · 2 years ago
Tampa Bay is having a lot of problems with noise (https://www.npr.org/2024/02/01/1228286349/south-tampa-myster...) that none of the neighbors can figure out. Some speculate on a party boat with speakers. Some are speculating is it the black drum fish (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_drum) making loud noises when mating.
ocal5 · 2 years ago
That’s Daft Punk - Daftendirekt, actually.
Hortinstein · 2 years ago
I came here hoping someone would mention this, it's really strange and for a while I had just attributed it to the Air Force base traffic or Tampa International nearby, but it keeps coming up. Always interesting to learn more
rhyme-boss · 2 years ago
It would be remarkable if the clicks were being used for navigation since they have "the smallest brains of any vertebrate".

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WhitneyLand · 2 years ago
Seems like very misleading science reporting. It relies on the wow factor of a 12mm fish producing a sound as loud as what many people would associate with a jet engine (>140db).

- Sound levels are usually assumed to be measured 1m away. For the fish, it’s measured one body length away (inverse square law applies)

- Jet engines are often measured from many meters away (again inverse square law)

- The fish’s sound is pulsed and lasts only 2.5ms, while jet engine noise is continuous.

- The frequency emitted by the fish “exceeds 20kHz”. The frequency range of a jet engine spans almost the entire range of human hearing.

- Standing next to one might startle you a bit, the other will irreversibly damage you.

NoPicklez · 2 years ago
I don't think so and I don't see any mention of it being compared to a jet engine.

The article compares it to a sledgehammer, ambulance siren or a gunshot. A gunshot of which is not a continuous sound.

Regardless, it is impressive that a 12mm fish can produce such a loud sound regardless of whether it is continuous and/or throughout our frequency range of hearing.

reaperman · 2 years ago
It really does matter how far away the sound measurement is taken. 12mm vs. 1000mm away is not trivial for this "decibel" number to make any sense, contextually.

140dB at 12mm is equivalent to 100db at 1000mm. So that's 20dB less than an "ambulance" or "jackhammer" as listed here[0]. Which definitely would make the article misleading.

0: https://noiseawareness.org/info-center/common-noise-levels/

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HPsquared · 2 years ago
Also it's underwater. I bet if someone tried to fire a gun underwater, the pressure wave (sound) would be louder than usual.
xoxxala · 2 years ago
The sound wouldn’t be noticeably louder at the source, but would travel faster (sound travels 4x faster in water than in air) and farther.

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garyclarke27 · 2 years ago
Mantis Shrimp can punch as hard as a bullet, can break aquarium glass and can create a cavitation bubble hotter than the sun.
HeyLaughingBoy · 2 years ago
I only knew that I had one in my tank because I would hear the loud "crack" at night. Luckily it was the shrimp making the noise, not the glass breaking.

Months later when I drained the tank to move into a new house, and removed all the live rock I found it dead at the bottom. Amazing that such a tiny thing can make so much noise.

jstarfish · 2 years ago
You sure that wasn't a tiger pistol shrimp?

Mantis shrimp are exotic terrors of the deep you don't exactly forget you have.

pwython · 2 years ago
Relevant neat video of Mantis Shrimp breaking glass, albeit thin test tubes: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nSRahhMdfxM
UncleOxidant · 2 years ago
wait, how is Dom the domino fish surviving with that mantis shrimp? Or is Dom just food for the mantis shrimp?
decafninja · 2 years ago
It’s a biological plasma cannon
suzzer99 · 2 years ago
Mantis shrimps are show-offs. They hog all the records.
01HNNWZ0MV43FF · 2 years ago
Has NIF tried mantis shrimp?
andrewflnr · 2 years ago
This is the closest I found, searching for "acoustic confinement fusion". Short story: probably doesn't work. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bubble_fusion
dang · 2 years ago
[stub for offtopicness]
shireboy · 2 years ago
It must be a fundamental law of nature that the organisms with the smallest brains are the loudest.
xeornet · 2 years ago
I think you may be onto something here.

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heroku · 2 years ago
evolution is a lie this proves.
agilob · 2 years ago
Ok, but what if we feed the fish 500 l of jet fuel?
mewpmewp2 · 2 years ago
Jet fuel can't melt fish scales.
ozfive · 2 years ago
All I want to know is, can you keep them in fish tanks without the glass shattering?
jareklupinski · 2 years ago
sure, as long as you use bulletproof glass :)
paulrpotts · 2 years ago
It’s always disappointing to me when articles describing a sound don’t include an audio clip. Someone must have a hydrophone recording!
qup · 2 years ago
There was a video with audio.
ssl-3 · 2 years ago
And also a link to the entire study, with sonograms and high-speed photos and the whole 9 yards.

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