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Posted by u/Throwawayh89 2 years ago
Ask HN: Would doing a coding bootcamp be a horrible idea?
Hi folks,

About 8 years ago I got into tech sales. I was always a bit “nerdy” and interested in leveraging data/automation so a career in sales quickly transitioned into sales operations, but outside of some python and tad bit of SQL all my work has been on no code platforms (mostly Salesforce). The stuff that “real” engineers did seemed totally inaccessible to me, although that inaccessibility has diminished a little after observing the engineers at the startup I was working at.

That startup recently let me go in a round of layoffs. I saw it coming and dad been saving, so I’m entering unemployed with about 6-12 months of living expenses in the bank depending how deep into savings I dug. (Also have nobody depending on my salary as my wife just got a big promotion/raise).

Would it be a horrible idea to finally jump over the imaginary chasm I’ve built in my mind into the world of engineering and enroll in a coding bootcamp? I know in the best of times these programs were tenuous and full of questionable promises despite costing $10k+, what are they like now given the job market and impact of generative AI?

Thanks for the insight!

(For context, I’m 34 and based out of NYC. No kids.)

sk11001 · 2 years ago
> I’m entering unemployed with about 6-12 months of living expenses in the bank depending how deep into savings I dug.

If the goal is to finish a bootcamp and land your first developer job in that timeframe, yes, it's a horrible idea with a very high probability of failure.

If you don't have expectations of landing a job and you can afford the time and money and you've picked a reputable bootcamp, then it's probably fine.

sebastianconcpt · 2 years ago
Yes, this ^
ochronus · 2 years ago
Plus one.
nickjj · 2 years ago
I know a few people who have been unemployed since July and October due to being laid off. Some of them found jobs but not others. That's 6+ months of searching.

Given you're not in financial distress I would suggest spending a few weeks or a month learning without a bootcamp to see how you like it. For example https://cs50.harvard.edu/x/2024/ is often referenced as a good intro to programming and web development course and it's free.

If you still like it after that then either continue self learning or try to find a bootcamp that has a good deal around employment like you only have to pay them after you land a job or they have a really strong system around helping you find employment.

I'm pretty sure the market for hiring junior / beginner developers right now is going to be brutal, bootcamp or not. Jobs are weird though, there's so much luck involved around being in the right place at the right time. If programming is something you really want to do, being prepared for that type of scenario is of course worth it.

azangru · 2 years ago
> I know in the best of times these programs were tenuous and full of questionable promises

Screw promises.

A coding bootcamp is the best guided way, other than college, of acquiring basic knowledge and skills of a software developer. It will not guarantee that after graduating from it you will find a job; although some bootcamps may have certain arrangements. What a good bootcamp does guarantee though is that after completing it, you will have sufficient knowledge to build, say, a mildly complex website, or do some data analysis tasks. In good market conditions, this makes the graduate somewhat employable as entry-level software engineer.

There are plenty of free online resources that you can use instead. But that requires a lot of discipline; and a curriculum to know what you need to be studying.

globalise83 · 2 years ago
If I were you I would look for product owner roles in a tech company building a product for sales operations. That way you can a) get paid again soon b) really use and build on your sales operations background c) work closely with a development team and see their code and how they work, d) do some non-production prototyping of new features etc. which can help you learn a bit of coding without actually destroying your company and e) learn how to explore and analyse business problems and requirements (which can get quite technical!). Based on that, you'd have a great basis on which to decide whether you want to actually become a developer, or whether you are happy helping a development team decide what to work on in an area of interest to you personally, which in my view is just as rewarding.
jbot27 · 2 years ago
Former Bootcamp runner/teacher:

I think a bootcamp can be good (depends on the camp) to help you kick start the learning process. A few months in a place doing things daily can be helpful.

This is great if you really want to spend a long time doing this. It takes years to get decent at programming.

The promise that you will find a job right after I don't think is realistic. I am not saying it can't happen but it is very difficult. Companies have a lot of options now and typically won't even look at boot camp grads.

If this is a near life long investment, it could be useful to kick start that. Just with the caveat it will probably take time.

janosdebugs · 2 years ago
I taught a coding bootcamp (one of the early ones in 2010-11) and I've met several people out of bootcamps. You are probably looking at several years of seriously hard learning and putting up with a significant setback in your career with very little in the way of using your existing skills. I would rather try to learn coding myself and move over gradually if I were you. You are not going to be anywhere near an expert in coding after one year if you start from scratch.
stormfather · 2 years ago
Do it if you like programming. Right now it's hard to get a job and you'll be at the bottom of the heap, so don't do it for that. If you want to discover if you like programming, try and build something cool you think should exist. It's free and you can pair with an LLM all day.
trashtestcrash · 2 years ago
Have a look at bigger more established institutions. There are still some out there who have programs to re-skill people (especially from STEM degrees) into engineering. Mostly financial institutions.

What they usually do is hire you at a grad level, and put you in a bootcamp for couple of months.