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osullish · 2 years ago
An absolute wordsmith, 'a pair of brown eyes' is as close to a perfect song. Novels of thousands of pages haven't told a story as deeply as that song. His version of the Band played waltzing Matilda is one of the most moving songs I've ever heard - and amazingly wrote fairytale of New York as a bet, when Elvis Costello bet him he couldn't write a Christmas song.
beezlewax · 2 years ago
Wordsmith is correct and a man with abundant talent. There's a great fairly recent documentary about his rocky life called Crock of Gold.

Regarding his aptitude for song writing there's a interview with Nick Cave where he covers a Pogues song... Cave describes spending time with Shane McGowan and him having a pile of songs in a mound on the floor. Picking them up he sees there are beautiful songs just lying there most destined for oblivion. A prolific song writer to say the least. You'd wonder how many gems were lost to his irreverent nature.

crmd · 2 years ago
I saw Shane and the Popes (and a great New York band Black 47) open for Elvis Costello in NYC many years ago. Shane walks on stage and immediately hocks a loogie in the face of a random audience member standing up front. ‘Twas a hell of a show.
kuhewa · 2 years ago
Sickbed of Cuchulainn.
ta456745754 · 2 years ago
Agreed on those, I'll add Lullaby of London as one I've really enjoyed over the years too.

Terrible shame to see him gone.

coldtea · 2 years ago
Also A Rainy Night in Soho
seanhunter · 2 years ago
From a lot of points of view the surprising thing is not that he died now it's that he lasted this long. I remember seeing the Pogues back in the 90s in the Joe Strummer period and they were awesome but it was "common knowledge" back then that Shane was extremely ill and not long for the world.
acdanger · 2 years ago
Saw the Pogues play about 10 years. Shane was offstage most of the time and was brought on to stage in a wheelchair for a couple of songs to just sort of sit there and wave. It was sad and I thought he had days to live at the time.
ilikerashers · 2 years ago
I saw the Pogues in Brixton 3 times and each one was the last time. There were a lot of last times.
mikhailfranco · 2 years ago
I saw the 1991 Xmas gig at Brixton Academy with Joe. They played a few Clash songs (London Calling, I Fought The Law, Brand New Cadillac, IIRC). I'm sad to say ... I did not see Shane.

(if they) ...stick (him) in a box ... and shove (him) in the ground ... (I'm sure he'll) stick (his) head back out and shout "we'll have another round"

derriz · 2 years ago
It's easy to underestimate his erudition and intelligence, probably because of his always seemed to impaired by booze.

Decades ago I was on a train in Ireland and he was sitting at the table opposite to him. Like most on the train carriage, I recognised him but left him alone. Eventually someone walking through the carriage saw him and approached to quickly express his admiration/gratitude for his music and asked if he minded that he had a question about the lyrics of one of his songs. He seemed genuinely happy to engage in a conversation.

I listened, of course, and for the next 30 minutes or so, was treated to a whirlwind but fascinating tour of his ideas covering politics, philosophy, history as well as literature. He was extremely well-read. I wish I could remember the details. Maybe this transcript - https://thequietus.com/articles/09277-mark-e-smith-nick-cave... - captures the tone of the conversation.

iamthemonster · 2 years ago
He attended Holmewood House prep school and attained a scholarship to Westminster School. They are both very prestigious institutions in affluent areas. I think it surprises people to learn he had an excellent education and he came from a middle class (but probably not highly affluent) background.
strangesmells06 · 2 years ago
Then they'll take you to Cloughprior and shove you in the ground But you'll stick your head back out and shout "We'll have another round"
wyclif · 2 years ago
It's a great line, isn't it?
strangesmells06 · 2 years ago
The entire song is pretty good.
dalbasal · 2 years ago
Yiooo!
killthebuddha · 2 years ago

  One summer evening drunk to hell
  I stood there nearly lifeless
  An old man in the corner sang
  Where the water lilies grow
  And on the jukebox johnny sang
  About a thing called love
  And its how are you kid and whats your name
  And how would you bloody know?
  In blood and death neath a screaming sky
  I lay down on the ground
  And the arms and legs of other men
  Were scattered all around
  Some cursed, some prayed, some prayed then cursed
  Then prayed and bled some more
  And the only thing that I could see
  Was a pair of brown eyes that was looking at me
  But when we got back, labeled parts one to three
  There was no pair of brown eyes waiting for me
  
  And a rovin, a rovin, a rovin I'll go
  For a pair of brown eyes
  
  I looked at him he looked at me
  All I could do was hate him
  While Ray and Philomena sang
  Of my elusive dream
  I saw the streams, the rolling hills
  Where his brown eyes were waiting
  And I thought about a pair of brown eyes
  That waited once for me
  So drunk to hell I left the place
  Sometimes crawling sometimes walking
  A hungry sound came across the breeze
  So I gave the walls a talking
  And I heard the sounds of long ago
  From the old canal
  And the birds were whistling in the trees
  Where the wind was gently laughing
  
  And a rovin, a rovin, a rovin I'll go
  A rovin, a rovin, a rovin I'll go
  And a rovin, a rovin, a rovin I'll go
  For a pair of brown eyes
  For a pair of brown eyes

  And a rovin, a rovin, a rovin I'll go
  And a rovin, a rovin, a rovin I'll go
  And a rovin, a rovin, a rovin I'll go
  For a pair of brown eyes
  For a pair of brown eyes

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osullish · 2 years ago
I've always maintained this is the greatest set of lyrics ever put together. Love, loss, war, ptsd - it is up there with the finest poems and sonnets ever composed.
blimey74 · 2 years ago
Gutted to see Shane gone even though we all knew it was coming. He was the poet laureate of the Irish in Britain and indeed throughout the world, who had incredible humanity and an unflinching eye for the life of the underdog. His heroes were the nameless working class people who made Britain tick as much as his literary heroes like Behan and James Clarence Mangan. Good luck Shane, I hope you don't find heaven too boring!
x0x0 · 2 years ago
I found this interview with Shane MacGowan... something. Maybe touching? Two excerpts:

> I didn’t, of course, expect him to look like the gangly youth with the terrible teeth who looked as if he’d bleed adrenalin. I knew that the terrible teeth, or at least a lot of the terrible teeth, had gone. But I didn’t expect him to look like this. He has, it’s true, been ill. He has, apparently, had gastroenteritis. (The doctor said he could only eat clear liquids, which MacGowan, unfortunately, took to mean gin). But the man sitting opposite me, behind a table covered with packets of pills and cigarettes, reminds me both of a hobbit and a china doll. His hair is wild. His skin is pale. His lips cover gums where there should be teeth. But his eyes are clear, bright, piercing, beautiful blue.

and

> I’m not quite sure how to follow this, so I ask what ambitions he’s got left. This time there’s no pause. “To live as long as I possibly can, and to come to terms with dying before I do.”

> For a moment, we’re both quiet. For some people, this might seem like a small thing. But when you’ve drunk as much as Shane MacGowan (and not all that many people have drunk as much as Shane MacGowan) then staying alive isn’t a small thing at all.

https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/music/featu...

canucker2016 · 2 years ago
from https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-20125315:

"It was not until he formed Pogue Mahone (a variant of Irish phrase póg mo thóin, which means "kiss my a*se"), that he was finally able to mix the rawness of punk with the Irish poetry and sentimentality of his lyrics, to huge critical and commercial acclaim."

Fairytale of New York on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j9jbdgZidu8

Shane, Kirsty - RIP