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caust1c · 2 years ago
We're using it at RunReveal and I've got to say that we're extremely happy with it.

At Segment I always wanted a good sandbox environment for running customer code. This is the ideal solution, and the fact that it doesn't require CGo: :chefs_kiss:

Happy to answer any questions people considering using it might have!

yklcs · 2 years ago
Using WASM for things requiring low IO and high compute that are traditionally written in C/C++ makes a lot of sense to me. Image codecs are an example and native implementations for things like JPEG encoders are hard to come by. So, I used wazero to implement a few image codecs in Go^1. Codecs were compiled to WASM, and wazero works great for running them (albeit with overhead).

For this use case, wazero appears to be the cleanest solution as it's the only runtime that doesn't need CGo. The biggest appeal to me embedding WASM in Go is avoiding CGo to allow cross compilation. If my dependency is using CGo anyway, I might as well as link against a C library. I think native WASM runtimes like wazero are currently the best options for porting code language-agnostically.

^1: https://github.com/yklcs/wasmimg

cube2222 · 2 years ago
I've used wazero for a pet project (raw wasm generation from simple query plans) and it was really nice to work with!

I also had to play around a bit with wasm relocations and the encoding/decoding libraries they've built are very readable, too, so I was able to hack together what I needed.

Fingers crossed for the optimizing compiler that's planned for some point!

pdyc · 2 years ago
what are you using for generating wasm? tinygo or new go runtime support of wasm? what are the sizes of wasm binaries? last i checked helloworld was in the order of few MB's.
cube2222 · 2 years ago
The project was a custom compiler to turn a simple query plan (think select, where, group by) into wasm. So it was basically hand-written raw wasm generation.

I did compile some helper functions from Rust though, which also served as the "skeleton" of the wasm artifact I was later generating my wasm into, since wasm doesn't have any kind of proper dynamic linking right now.

evacchi · 2 years ago
tinygo still wins for size, and the reflection story got better (json works!). The traditional Go compiler produces larger binary but OTOH it's super-fast, as fast as native builds!
ejcx · 2 years ago
Happy wazero user here in production. The team supporting the project has been really helpful and it's a very solid project.
morelish · 2 years ago
Can someone explain this to me like I’m 5? I thought web assembly was primarily run in a browser. Is this saying you can run a wasm binary in your go project (outside of the browser)?
evacchi · 2 years ago
That is correct. It is a webassembly runtime that you can embed in your go project. There are also other wasm runtimes that run outside the browser, this is one written in Go
paulddraper · 2 years ago
Correct!

Just like JavaScript was made to run in a browser, but additional runtimes have been created.

verdverm · 2 years ago
CUE recently added initial WASM support, glad to see it was this library!

https://github.com/cue-lang/cue/blob/0520a3f9e73e63d77e43c9b...

kinghajj · 2 years ago
I'm curious, what's the use case for CUE in a WASM environment? So that web apps can compile configuration at runtime?
stanleydrew · 2 years ago
Haven't looked at it, but I assume the use-case is opposite of your suggestion, i.e. CUE wants to offer some kind of plugin integration and embedding a WASM runtime is the safest way.
verdverm · 2 years ago
This is WASM in CUE, to unlock more possibilities while still preserving the language semantics.

You can already do CUE via WASM, this is how the playground works.

https://cuelang.org/play/?id=#cue@export@cue

vira28 · 2 years ago
What are other such web assembly runtimes and how does Wazero compares to those?
evacchi · 2 years ago
as far as I know wazero is the only zero-dependency Wasm runtime written in Go.

This is not just one of those "written in $LANG" kinda deal: most other runtimes require linking against a native library; this in turn plays against a lot of the killer features of Go, such as good tooling, easy cross-compilation, goroutines [0]; so, not requiring Cgo means a team may bring wazero to their Go project without a second thought.

As for other features, we may not be as bleeding edge as other projects, but we are a rather tiny team. If you expect support for WASI (preview 1) we have it :) we try to concentrate our effort on high-quality support of stable specs.

EDIT: oh, and a huge shout-out to Stealthrocket, they are building a lot of cool stuff on top of wazero:

- wzprof, a wasm profiler integrating with pprof https://github.com/stealthrocket/wzprof

- timecraft, a wasm time-traveling runtime https://github.com/stealthrocket/timecraft

[0] see "CGO is not Go" https://dave.cheney.net/2016/01/18/cgo-is-not-go

vira28 · 2 years ago
Thanks. My question is more of other runtime not specifically about the ones written in Go.
pyrolistical · 2 years ago
Zig can directly compile to wasm. Since most of zig’s std is pure zig, you can use it as is. It’s also zero dep
thangngoc89 · 2 years ago
But this is the runtime, not the compilation. Drop a single executable on the target machine and it can run wasm files (compiled from Zig, Rust, ...)
evacchi · 2 years ago
Hey I am on the dev team if someone has questions :)
verst · 2 years ago
I'm one of the Dapr (Distributed Application Runtime) maintainers which has a wazero based wasm integration. The wazero team contributed this integration.

I just wanted to say that the wazero team has done a great job keeping the integration up to date and have been very responsive. For example, our project also supports Linux Arm32 and wazero was initially not testing against that architecture which led to a compile issue for us. Once we pointed this out they fixed this and added this architecture to their CI tests as well.

EDIT: Also because our project can be compiled for any common O/S and architecture combination the pure Go implementation is critical. We do not accept use of CGO.

dilyevsky · 2 years ago
Probably dumb q - are there security implications of using aot for untrusted workloads? Are there plans to do jit?
evacchi · 2 years ago
It depends on what you mean for JIT. wazero is load-time AoT; i.e. we compile the module in-memory on load, for efficient execution later, when you instantiate, it is not AoT in the sense that we produce a stand-alone executable, the runtime is always hosting that executable code that is generated, and we go back-and-forth between translated wasm and "Go space" at run-time in many cases. It is AoT in the sense that we do not tune the generated code depending on tracing or profiling information, because we don't track it for compilation.

The Wasm model itself gives a certain degree of safety: e.g. you do not have complete control over the host OS, because you have to explicitly expose functions to the gues module; we also provide a certain degree of control over e.g. execution time (you can instantiate a module in such a way that executions can be cancelled or set a timeout) and memory space.

We also provide an interpreter for all platforms where Go runs, and Takeshi (the founder of the project) is also working on bootstrapping an optimizing compiler that should soon land on main, and more work will happen in that space.

circuit10 · 2 years ago
JIT/AOT just refers to the time that compilation is done, it doesn’t necessarily have anything to do with security.
kouteiheika · 2 years ago
How does the performance compare to wasmtime or wasmer?
evacchi · 2 years ago
wasmtime and wasmer are basically state-of-the-art. Our compilation backend is a fast, but straightforward translator from wasm to binary (think v8 liftoff vs turbofan), so it's faster than interpreting, but still slower than a well-crafted optimizing compiler. However depending on your use case, that kind of performance may not be everything: e.g. when I/O dominates .

The good news is an optimizing backend is being worked on as we speak and should be available very soon :)

segphault · 2 years ago
Any plans to support the WebAssembly GC proposal? Binaryen supports GC structs and arrays now, but there aren’t a lot of runtimes that have it yet. It would be cool if Wazero could do it in a way where managed structs can be seamlessly shared across the Wasm/Go boundary using the native Go GC.
evacchi · 2 years ago
We are tracking the evolution of most proposals but we are a tiny team so we try to concentrate our efforts on those that have a higher degree of maturity, but I am sure we will at some point :)