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system16 · 2 years ago
Let me save you from the momentary daydream and predictable disappointment after reading the clickbait article:

> Mr. Thursfield and his Japanese-born wife, Chihiro

> The couple have spent about $150,000 on renovations, and there’s more to do

verisimilidude · 2 years ago
Even with a Japanese wife, Japanese fluency, fondness for rural Japan, a career in remote work, and a flair for home renovation, I still have no interest in buying one of these houses. It’s a huge job to fix up most of these homes.
jeffbee · 2 years ago
So, 20x less renovation than a $4m house in Palo Alto needs.
guessmyname · 2 years ago
> So, 20x less renovation than a $4m house in Palo Alto needs.

While the comparison of renovation costs is interesting, it seems somewhat arbitrary to use Palo Alto as the sole point of comparison.

After all, Palo Alto is widely known as one of the most expensive cities in the United States, so it’s possible that the cost of renovations there could be significantly higher than in other areas. It would be fascinating to see a broader analysis of renovation costs across different cities, regions, or countries, perhaps even taking into account factors such as local labor costs and materials prices.

Only then can we truly understand the economic implications of home renovation and how it varies across the country.

ShaneMcGowan · 2 years ago
Or move to Ireland and buy 20 already finished houses for that price
jutrewag · 2 years ago
In a small Japanese rural buffer. What sort of comparison is that.
andrewryno · 2 years ago
Also:

> Mr. Thursfield has done much of the renovation work himself, including woodworking.

chiph · 2 years ago
I've been watching the progress of this Australian, who with his Japanese wife bought an abandoned farmhouse. His work ethic is way better than mine - in the past four years he's made tremendous progress in getting the place fixed up.

I really like the wood beam construction with ceramic tile roof that makes up the style of the home. They bought the house at auction for ¥3mm (about $23,000 USD today). No idea what they've spent to date, but I would guess 3-4 times that.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dgw_8fTkqNk

UncleOxidant · 2 years ago
It seems to be a genre on YouTube, here's another channel where they did similar, though they didn't buy the place, they're renting it for $300/year (I had no idea that there were spiders whose eyes glow when you point a flashlight at them) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m_Jzd_1c5cA
cocacola1 · 2 years ago
Article is about the same person, I think? $150,000 in renovations so far.
0xbadc0de5 · 2 years ago
Important to note that, unlike in many other countries, housing in Japan is a depreciating asset, like a car. Their value goes to zero over time. This is somewhat contrary to what many of us are accustomed to, where houses are appreciating (or at least stable) assets which maintain or grow in value.
jutrewag · 2 years ago
This doesn’t make any sense to me. Why wouldn’t a really poor family buy it when it’s really close to zero then, especially if it’s a perfectly habitable house.

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maxerickson · 2 years ago
It's likely not perfectly habitable as the price heads to zero.
sn9 · 2 years ago
Because the land still has value so it's cheaper to just build a new house on the land.
highwaylights · 2 years ago
When you say “goes to zero”, does this mean they really trend to zero or a way of saying that declining population means the demand keeps decreasing?

I’m trying to figure out if it’s a population thing or a short-lived construction thing.

lapetitejort · 2 years ago
Short-lived construction. The average lifespan of a house in Japan is 20-30 years [0]. Honestly, I like the approach. I'm living in a 100+ year old house. It costs a fortune to heat and cool. Any renovation brings the risk of toxic substances released into the air. But it's got lots of character, right? I guess so, but it's overrated. I dream of living in a new house with good insulation and easy to access electrical conduits.

[0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Housing_in_Japan

wheresmycraisin · 2 years ago
We'd love to but the immigration policies are very unfriendly.
nibbleshifter · 2 years ago
A while back I looked at how I would score on their "points based" immigration calculator thing.

It wasn't good at all.

I suspect they will have to have a strong rethink of their immigration policies in the next 10-20 years.

franciscop · 2 years ago
There's many ways to immigrate to Japan, and the point system is one of the hardest because it gives you direct access to Permanent Residency (incidentally I will apply next year to it) instead of the temporary Work Visa.

As far as you have a degree and a job offer from a Japanese company (both should be related) it's trivial to fill the paperwork to come here. Engineers in particular have it pretty easy, with many Engineering jobs not even requiring you to speak Japanese.

But that's the trick, it's "okay" to come to Japan with a work permit, which allows you to work and pay your taxes but you have to be actively working with those, unless you have switched to PR (which IS a lot harder), or get out of the country. This has been criticized a lot, Japan is very friendly for young professional workers, but will never treat you as one of their own and once there's a sign of trouble you are on your own.

ng12 · 2 years ago
It's very intentional. Japan is largely homogenous and there's a lot of support for keeping it that way.
midoridensha · 2 years ago
>A while back I looked at how I would score on their "points based" immigration calculator thing. >It wasn't good at all.

So I take it you don't have a college degree or work in the software field like most people here.

It's true: if you have no skills and work as a barista or janitor, Japan isn't very interested in having you immigrate here. If you're a skilled tech professional, however, it's the easiest country in the world to immigrate to. Experienced software engineers can easily score 70-80 points. With 80, you can apply for permanent residence in 1 year.

rtpg · 2 years ago
Do you have a college degree or 10 years professional experience? Congratulations, after finding a job you can move here. And on top of that your visa is not tied to your employer so there’s no visa risk if you find a better job on the spot ([0])

There’s some immigration stuff that’s tougher, but based off everything I’ve heard from dealing with Anglo countries or the EU, most people on this website would have zero problems dealing with immigration.

[0] technically the high skilled professional visa is employer-associated but people doing these jobs can easily pay to navigate the subtleties in any job change

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jutrewag · 2 years ago
Can you become a citizen? Because most people aren’t interested in some perpetual limbo.
0max · 2 years ago
Would really love to see the LDP decide to open up immigration for folks from ASEAN member states. The JICA's infra projects in the region are a strong soft power play, and are getting delivered faster than anything funded by the Belt and Road initiative (or at least when I look at the different projects in Metro Manila, they are).
galaxytachyon · 2 years ago
Not sure how true it is but an Asian friend told me the race that an Asian hates the most is another Asian...

Looking at the immigration policies of China and Japan, I think he might be right.

midoridensha · 2 years ago
I've met a bunch of Chinese people here, some of whom are naturalized Japanese. How much more open do you think it needs to get, open borders?
prottog · 2 years ago
I would certainly prefer to drive on a JICA-built bridge than a OBOR one.
rippercushions · 2 years ago
If you can secure a job in Japan (admittedly a big if), they're far more friendly than, say, the US.
onepointsixC · 2 years ago
Not in how you're going to be treated. During Covid permanent residents were kept out because they're foreigners while citizens were able to travel to Japan[1]. Anyone who expects a western immigrant experience in Japan would be sorely mistaken.

[1]: https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2020/05/19/national/social...

dopidopHN · 2 years ago
If you are from the US: tit for tats :)

I’m joking, none of that is the individual faults.

NameError · 2 years ago
This seems important: "Since buying the farmhouse in 2019, the couple have spent about $150,000 on renovations"
api · 2 years ago
$200K for a house is still cheap in most places.
jutrewag · 2 years ago
It’s rural Japan. That’s daylight robbery.
more_corn · 2 years ago
Rural Japan is not most places though
coding123 · 2 years ago
It also depends on if renovations will just be done by yourself... can be dramatically cheaper (if you have the time).
dopidopHN · 2 years ago
I would pick Italy or rural France. But also … I can legally live and work there.
slaw · 2 years ago
Where do you look for a house in Italy or France?
dopidopHN · 2 years ago
Try https://www.leboncoin.fr/ventes_immobilieres/offres

It will give you an idea of the prices.

BitwiseFool · 2 years ago
Expensive real estate is often overpriced for no good reason. However, cheap real estate is almost always underpriced for a very good reason.

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