Good for starters but there are quite a few bad practices used in this tutorial such as declaring your apps templates directory when by default Django searches all apps for a templates directory. Also running nearly everything as root.
This will get you up and running but just be aware that some of the items may not be the "correct way" of doing it.
>>such as declaring your apps templates directory when by default Django searches all apps for a templates directory.
I don't think so. Removing the templates directory gives you an exception. Maybe you are using another loader?
>>Also running nearly everything as root.
Right, this was meant for starters so I didn't want to complicate things. But I just added some options so now Upstart will run GUnicorn under other user.
The correct way on Linux to run services is for each service to have it's own user. If you are just going to be running a single Django project I recommend creating a user simply called "django", putting all the projects files in "/srv/www/" because that's what "srv" is for. And then running your django project as the django user. If your django project gets hacked and you have permissions set properly then the most they can do is fiddle with all your django files. If they have root access they can get your SSL certs, SSH keys, redirect your Nginx server and all kinds of other bad things.
1. You should use the nginx PPA instead of the default Ubuntu one.
2. uWSGI is an excellent alternative to Gunicorn, and can be run as a system startup service using supervisord.
3. As you get further along in your django project development, you may find you will need to apply patches to django core. In this case it helps to install from the git repo instead of pip, then checkout to the latest stable tag.
4. Instead of running `sudo /etc/init.d/nginx restart`, the idiomatic Ubuntu way is `sudo service nginx restart`.
I chose GUnicorn for being more popular and easier to install. Performance difference seems to be very small and not sure how things evolved in last versions.
There was an article somewhere comparing the performance of various Django setups and as far as I can remember uWSGI+NGinx won out, although Gunicorn was a close second
Here's one of those articles:
http://www.peterbe.com/plog/fcgi-vs-gunicorn-vs-uwsgi
He actually proclaimed Gunicorn as the initial winner but after what probably was some real-life usage changed his mind to UWsgi.
the UWsgi module is also now included with NGinx by default (as of version .84 or something)
I've never used Upstart as in the original post but I believe Supervisor does the same thing and is maybe a little more commonly used (http://supervisord.org/)
I remember reading from Instagram blog that they found Gunicorn to be less CPU-intensive:
We use http://gunicorn.org/ as our WSGI server;
we used to use mod_wsgi and Apache, but found
Gunicorn was much easier to configure, and less
CPU-intensive.
Nginx+n performs pretty well in general against Apache, and in my experience nginx as a front to something like uWSGI for Django is very easy to set up and use. There was a comparison of the various Nginx+n stacks, I think Nginx+uWSGI won out, with Gunicorn in a close second.
Gunicorn generally takes up less ram and less CPU than Apache + mod_wsgi. I've also had some major mem leaks with apache that have never occurred while using Gunicorn, I believe it restarts a thread when it gets out of control.
There's always the ability to tweak specifics for your setup that aren't available in many platforms.
IMHO, you shouldn't use a PaaS unless you know how to set your stack up. Essentially, if you don't recognize or have respect for the convenience you're being given (by going through a platform) then you'll potentially make bad decisions down the road. Personally, I prefer to learn how to set it up and scale it myself initially which helps me better understand what to look for in a platform.
Plus, there's something fun about putting all the pieces together and watching your apps come up (especially if you don't normally handle this part of the stack).
* Because i can understand the technology behind the "magic".
* Because i can understand the technology behind the "magic" and design my system better.
* Because i can understand the technology behind the "magic" and design my system better and if PaaS provider goes out of business i have a chance to survive.
* Like snap said before : i've got the power...
And most important : because i'm a masochist bastard, who has trust problems...
But why not templetize the power into an open source system like Cloud Foundry, do it once and then forget about it? Why not design it once, use forever? You still get the power, you just have the time to think about other things, like actually getting shit done.
I'd imagine on the whole due to cost. Heroku, for example, is a great stack, but costs a significant amount if you aren't flush with cash. This can be run on a small ec2 instance for a fraction of the cost, whilst it does have greater administrative overhead.
It isn't that people still think it is the only way. It is that people have realized that they don't want to be woken up in the middle of the night every time their server goes kaput. I have better things to do with my time.
I'd rather pay the 'extra' money to a PaaS in order to not have to a) hire a sysadmin, or pretend to be one on TV. b) get a full nights sleep. c) be able to go on vacation without worrying if the server is up or not. d) not have to worry about adding servers when my traffic has spiked and this one server isn't enough.
If you don't think EC2 instances go down, you are kidding yourself. Not only do they go down, but they 'appear' up. Talk about a mixed message. So, you also need to pay for a third party monitoring service just to tell you that your server is down.
At the end of the day, when you've added up all of those 'costs' of running your own servers, PaaS starts to look at lot more attractive. I certainly trust a company like Google AppEngine to be able to hire a lot more sysadmins, setup better monitoring and have better response times for fixing servers than I ever could.
I'd also love to never have to learn or remember the arcane list of setup configuration that this person blogged about. Instead, I'd rather be adding features to my app and making money.
With the cost and control advantages of cloud or owned servers, PaaS seems like a tough sell. Setting up and administering servers has become much easier and continues to improve.
I know you are joking, but the idea is that different levels of service are given by different people, and they may be layered one on top of another. I believe the term used these days is IaaS, Infrastructure as a Service. Amazon EC2 would be IaaS. Heroku or DotCloud would be PaaS. A PaaS company can have their infrastructure provided by an IaaS company.
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This will get you up and running but just be aware that some of the items may not be the "correct way" of doing it.
I don't think so. Removing the templates directory gives you an exception. Maybe you are using another loader?
>>Also running nearly everything as root.
Right, this was meant for starters so I didn't want to complicate things. But I just added some options so now Upstart will run GUnicorn under other user.
Not really. It seems everything runs from a virtual environment under the Ubuntu user which is not root btw.
1. You should use the nginx PPA instead of the default Ubuntu one.
2. uWSGI is an excellent alternative to Gunicorn, and can be run as a system startup service using supervisord.
3. As you get further along in your django project development, you may find you will need to apply patches to django core. In this case it helps to install from the git repo instead of pip, then checkout to the latest stable tag.
4. Instead of running `sudo /etc/init.d/nginx restart`, the idiomatic Ubuntu way is `sudo service nginx restart`.
http://wiki.nginx.org/Install#Ubuntu_PPA
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I chose GUnicorn for being more popular and easier to install. Performance difference seems to be very small and not sure how things evolved in last versions.
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Certainly not what I want for an introduction.
http://nichol.as/benchmark-of-python-web-servers.
Setup is a bit more difficult, but if you are already using nginx it isn't so bad.
the UWsgi module is also now included with NGinx by default (as of version .84 or something)
I've never used Upstart as in the original post but I believe Supervisor does the same thing and is maybe a little more commonly used (http://supervisord.org/)
I have been using gunicorn+gevent in production for a while now and it has been outstanding.
IMHO, you shouldn't use a PaaS unless you know how to set your stack up. Essentially, if you don't recognize or have respect for the convenience you're being given (by going through a platform) then you'll potentially make bad decisions down the road. Personally, I prefer to learn how to set it up and scale it myself initially which helps me better understand what to look for in a platform.
Plus, there's something fun about putting all the pieces together and watching your apps come up (especially if you don't normally handle this part of the stack).
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* Because i can understand the technology behind the "magic".
* Because i can understand the technology behind the "magic" and design my system better.
* Because i can understand the technology behind the "magic" and design my system better and if PaaS provider goes out of business i have a chance to survive.
* Like snap said before : i've got the power...
And most important : because i'm a masochist bastard, who has trust problems...
I'd rather pay the 'extra' money to a PaaS in order to not have to a) hire a sysadmin, or pretend to be one on TV. b) get a full nights sleep. c) be able to go on vacation without worrying if the server is up or not. d) not have to worry about adding servers when my traffic has spiked and this one server isn't enough.
If you don't think EC2 instances go down, you are kidding yourself. Not only do they go down, but they 'appear' up. Talk about a mixed message. So, you also need to pay for a third party monitoring service just to tell you that your server is down.
At the end of the day, when you've added up all of those 'costs' of running your own servers, PaaS starts to look at lot more attractive. I certainly trust a company like Google AppEngine to be able to hire a lot more sysadmins, setup better monitoring and have better response times for fixing servers than I ever could.
I'd also love to never have to learn or remember the arcane list of setup configuration that this person blogged about. Instead, I'd rather be adding features to my app and making money.
Also I don't think comfortable having all this uncontrolled "magic" happening.
EC2 is free for a year so I think it's worth giving it a shot.
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It's Turtles as a Service all the way down.