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_8rlb · 4 years ago
For people who cannot visit the website (hug of death), a copy is hosted here: https://github.com/everydayanchovies/eink-vnc
FullyFunctional · 4 years ago
This is great, looks totally usable.

I've pursued that eInk life style for about a decade now :) My best setup is with a Dasung Paperlike, but in practice the ergonomics keeps me from using it often (too many things to carry outside and setup). What I hope to see one day is a Linux friendly laptop with an eInk display (frontlit for extra bonus [1]). I wouldn't use it as a replacement, but for quickly grabbing when spending a few hours outside. Maybe Framework or MNT Reform could do it?

[1] the Dasung has multiple settings for the backlight and it's an absolute necessity for using it indoors.

EDIT: backlit -> frontlit, silly me.

ADD: PineNote is also promising as it support BLE and thus could be used with remote keyboard/mouse.

tmerse · 4 years ago
This may be interesting for you: https://www.modos.tech/

I just heard about them recently and am curious how the final result will look like.

FullyFunctional · 4 years ago
Le voila !

Thanks, that could be just the thing.

wingworks · 4 years ago
Looks pretty cool! And soo smooth.
Jolter · 4 years ago
Maybe you’re aware but the Boox Max Lumi has an HDMI In port, so you can use it as a secondary monitor for that laptop.

https://shop.boox.com/products/maxlumi

sfvegandude · 4 years ago
Reminder: onyx violates the Linux kernel license.

https://old.reddit.com/r/Onyx_Boox/comments/hk7d5v/onyx_is_v...

gbraad · 4 years ago
The boox refresh rate is not adequate for anything besides regional (text) updates. I have used the max, max2 and the mira and they have all been pisspoor for anything besides wordprocessing. VNC and RDP have mostly been better as these protocols understand regional changes more than the Toshiba HDMI converter chip they use.
FullyFunctional · 4 years ago
My Dasung Paperlike is a monitor also. In practice it's not a great solution for me compared to laptop (self-contained, batteries included). An external monitor (incl. the Boox) is quite impractical to lug around and set up.
otras · 4 years ago
Wow, this is great! I've been hoping for eInk with good refresh for years, and seeing it in action in your demo is very cool.

> The screen can refresh up to 30 times per second, this will degrade the eInk display rapidly. Do not use with fast changing content like videos.

Have you noticed the degraded display in your Kobo? I imagine it's not uniform across all pixels, since editing would mostly be localized to your cursor area (though scrolling and other actions would be wider). I'd also be interested in hearing what the timeline looked like for the quality drop, since it sounds like it's a function of the total number refreshes for each pixel.

_8rlb · 4 years ago
Thank you :)

I haven't noticed any degradation, but I put the warning up just in case. There is research suggesting that the ink "drops" stick together or break up after so many refreshes.

You can quickly skim this page for more info (the title should be findable on libgen): sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0030399217315487

ernesth · 4 years ago
I thought 11 years ago that e-ink with good refresh was achieved, seeing bookeen's prototype display videos and full screen scrolling.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=24srQXX81Ochttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CxwceUvxlCo

But all e-ink devices I have seen since were slow and would form time to time show remanence.

bhaney · 4 years ago
A comment in the video says that the framerate is being held back primarily by network latency. Would something like mosh, which immediately updates local state based on how it thinks your input will change the state (and then applies any necessary corrections once the network round trip happens) help here? I guess it would only apply to text-based sessions, but it sounds like there's already a recommendation against using it for video content.
Sakos · 4 years ago
One of these days I'm gonna make something this cool I can show HN.
user3939382 · 4 years ago
I'm trying to get xdebug working on AWS ECS... do you think that will qualify?
keepquestioning · 4 years ago
This shouldn’t be the goal

Try to solve the world climate and energy problems first

ape4 · 4 years ago
Show HN: I solved the world climate and energy problems
dredmorbius · 4 years ago
An interesting test case would be the aalib demo, bb:

https://sarata.com/manpages/bb.1.html

Here videoed off an emissive display: https://yewtu.be/watch?v=WubDqdV2r9k

And what seems to be a direct screen capture: https://yewtu.be/watch?v=JFFJYJ6QkME

I'm also curious as to what display damage high-speed refresh causes, and what reasonable guidelines at avoiding this might be. I have an Onyx BOOX Max Lumi, whose display is excellent, and do very occasionally watch video. (More often I'll simply play the audio via mpv in Termux.)

_8rlb · 4 years ago
The pixels are classical mechanical, as opposed to LEDs (electrical) or other solid state devices.

The particles in a pixel could deform/burst or clamp together over time, as they move around. Both scenarios lead to decreased contrast.

The less they move the longer the screen will last. I've no experience with the manufacture of those displays but I reason with physics.

dredmorbius · 4 years ago
More fluid than mechanical.

Note that even electrical displays can suffer burn-in, with CRT, LCD, and LED screens all exhibiting this. (I'm unsure about plasma displays, as I don't understand that technology.)

radarsat1 · 4 years ago
Exactly what I've been wanting to do, use it as a display for emacs with a bluetooth keyboard. Don't mind if it has to pass through my laptop. Does anyone know how to do something similar with the reMarkable 2?
jfim · 4 years ago
There's https://github.com/matteodelabre/vnsee if you want to use VNC as a client on your remarkable. I've used it in the past to run Chromium on a server and display it on the reMarkable: https://photos.app.goo.gl/TnNE1tdzvrwphJ8N6
m4lvin · 4 years ago
I did this once, with a shared terminal via screen or tmux (and thus not VNC). You can install https://github.com/Eeems-Org/oxide and a terminal application via the toltec repoitories and then ssh (or mosh) from remarkable to the device that has the keyboard.
cassepipe · 4 years ago
What are the current market options for e-ink /displays/devices that you could program on/ that you know of and (don't?) recommend ?
dmos62 · 4 years ago
Here's my notes on the subject:

    - hisense q5 tablet
      - hdmi input
      - https://www.cect-shop.com/en/hisense-q5.html
      - 400 eur
      - android as usb display:
        - https://superdisplay.app/
    - waveshare
      - https://www.waveshare.com/product/displays/e-paper/epaper-1.htm?___SID=U&dir=desc&mode=list&order=price
      - pure hdmi, usb powered
      - 400-600eur
      - papertty
        - python library
        - streams terminal or vnc to raspberry pi connected SPI waveshare monitor

celie56 · 4 years ago
I personally use a Remarkable 1 with yaft (1) as a terminal. I connect via ssh to a tmux session for editing and the response is fast enough.

1. https://github.com/timower/rM2-stuff/tree/master/apps/yaft

ozzydave · 4 years ago
I’m doing the same, though I had to fork Yaft to get a bigger font.
LeSaucy · 4 years ago
Don't let the .cpp file extensions fool you, its c.
wanghq · 4 years ago
I got a Boox note air 2. It's an e-ink device/android tablet/e-reader/note-taking.

You can install any app on this device. I find it's acceptable to code with web-ides like replit.com. But my main usage is reading and note taking.

rjsw · 4 years ago
There is the PineNote [1], don't have one but do have the equivalent SBC.

[1] https://www.pine64.org/pinenote/