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nabla9 · 6 years ago
Remember pandemic2 flash game?

It was almost impossible to kill all humans without starting the infection from Madagascar. If you started from somewhere else Madagascar always had time to close the borders.

Lo and behold: Madagascar is one of the few countries without infections in Global Cases tracker. https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.h...

knzhou · 6 years ago
And lo and behold, again: Madagascar has just closed their borders.

https://www.nytimes.com/reuters/2020/03/14/world/africa/14re...

> "To prevent the outbreak entering in Madagascar, all flights connecting Madagascar to Europe are suspended for 30 days," Madagascar President Hery Rajaonarimampianina said in a statement.

> Madagascar, one of the world's poorest nations where malnutrition is rife and outbreaks of deadly diseases are common, will also suspend air links to the nearby islands of La Reunion and Mayotte, he said.

rtkwe · 6 years ago
We're also getting another classic part of any Pandemic play through cruise ships forever circling the ocean looking for a place to dock.

https://www.cnn.com/travel/article/cruise-transatlantic-coro...

lostlogin · 6 years ago
My favourite cruise ship fiasco this week has been the newly imposed rule in New Zealand - they can’t dock, go away. So hours before the ban was imposed one docked and dumped all it’s passengers in the capital. https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/120298962/...
muzani · 6 years ago
The other takeaway from that game was that stealth symptoms with low fatality does the best out of any pandemic.
ImaCake · 6 years ago
Well everyone gets the common cold!
Aardwolf · 6 years ago
Still playable so long as flash still exists:

https://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/448950

Ntrails · 6 years ago
And greenland as I recall? But yeah - thikn the trick was low mortality so they took too long to respond
jaxn · 6 years ago
Long incubation period, start in southeast Asia, airborne, create delays for the scientists...
james_s_tayler · 6 years ago
I remember that game so well. Your get so far and then Madagascar closes it's borders and it's game over for you.

Turns out it's true.

rusticpenn · 6 years ago
Or Plague Inc. on ios or android
DonHopkins · 6 years ago
Bullfrog's classic game "Theme Hospital" had really great emergent vomit cascades.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y69QTjTvp1w

simcop2387 · 6 years ago
Two Point Hospital does fantastically as a spiritual successor to Theme Hospital. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jmlaOYMU8qA
DonHopkins · 6 years ago
Cool, thank you! I'll check in and check it out. (Installing it now!) Does it have a "Bloaty Head" treatment? ;)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Le_znuXcP2M

I played a LOT of Theme Hospital when working on The Sims 1, and aspired to make the Sims editing tools as easy to use and "clicky" as Theme Hospital was. That and some of Peter Molyneux's older games like Dungeon Keeper, with architectural editing and a lot of independent characters running around at the same time, had a lot of influence on The Sims.

jointpdf · 6 years ago
“emergent vomit cascades” gave me the laugh I needed today.
oceanofsolaris · 6 years ago
I am not a huge fan of this (or the WaPo) simulator, since I they seem to have chosen their models for the nice look (regular grid, bouncing balls) instead of for their accuracy.

While you can give people a rough idea of how different containment efforts will work, the models are so far removed from reality that I don't think that it really helps very much. Especially the WaPos'comparison' between different containment measures is IMHO borderline negligent without putting huge caveats in front of them.

shanusmagnus · 6 years ago
Given how much normal people know about these issues (nothing whatsoever, or even less than nothing, somehow) I think the shortcomings of their model, vs. full physical simulation, is of no importance. It's a fantastic intuition-builder.
gambler · 6 years ago
If we're talking about disease-based games, I highly recommend Pathologic 2. Nothing realistic there in terms of modeling disease spread or cure mechanics, it's a very artistic and somewhat abstract game, but it conveys certain social realities of being in a contagion zone really well. Among other things, it show the importance of not collectively freaking out.
feu · 6 years ago
I second this recommendation. I'm currently playing through Pathologic 2 for the first time. Playing through the game in the wider context of a pandemic makes for a very powerful experience.
wiz21c · 6 years ago
How can I model the type of interaction between people. For example :is school a stronger vector of propagation than workplace ?

I ask because everybody in my country talks about what to stop (restaurants, culture,...) but never explain why working is considered less of a problem... (I have my little idea but well, ain't sure)

brigandish · 6 years ago
Tell a child to stop touching things and see how many things they touch, where they put their fingers, how many times they pick their nose etc and then you'll know.

It'll only take a few minutes.

Consultant32452 · 6 years ago
My friend was in an airport recently. A mother dutifully used hand sanitizer on her 3 year old's hands. Within one minute the child had put their hands on every surface within a meter: arm rests, seat cushions, under the seat where the boogers and gum are, the floor, etc.
JamesBarney · 6 years ago
School is a bigger issues because children are usually are much closer together, are in the same room with far more people, and have far more interaction that adults at a typical job.
pbhjpbhj · 6 years ago
This https://www.pnas.org/content/116/27/13174 is a good paper, it gives numbers from actual school closures (in Russia), compares with areas where schools weren't closed, creates models for some scenarios too.

It would be interesting, possibly instructive to take a SIMS town and use it to model an epidemic.

wiz21c · 6 years ago
Thx for the article. I've skimmed through it. Looks like closing schools averts 30% of cases. Not bad. But interestingly, in my country, I've never heard of a school closed because of influenza...
gringoDan · 6 years ago
Apparently school closures work very well because it also forces adults to stay home from work to take care of their children.

Source: https://samharris.org/podcasts/190-respond-coronavirus/

baq · 6 years ago
when economy shuts down, more people die of malnutrition than of the virus.
pbhjpbhj · 6 years ago
Covid19 doesn't seem deadly enough to get us to that stage, thankfully. Unlike MERS/SARS/Ebola.
ISNIT · 6 years ago
You should totally add this to https://coronavirustechhandbook.com/
boxfire · 6 years ago
Super fun: In the full model { 5%, 3%, 5, 3, 0.25, 5, 14 } led to a walking sprawl of disease in a healthy population that lasted a long time, turning down the incubation days by 2 made it slower. The rate of new infections eventually eventually tapered off because the virus encountered its own sprawl like a growing structure in Go. Seems like a STD.
and0rsk · 6 years ago
We had a small demo to simulate pandemic outbreak at malls. The simulation was mostly for demonstration purposes to illustrate how distancing impacts spread, and potentially some ways to help mitigate it.

http://socialdistance.ai/

paraboul · 6 years ago
Much less visual than yours though, I also made a tool to highlight the exponential effect of social distancing.

Exponential growth is often counter-intuitive and lot of people don't seem to get it.

https://www.spreadsim.com/

drited · 6 years ago
This is cool but your hospital beds figure needs to be reduced dramatically because I believe you have taken the number of total hospital beds, not intensive care beds for the critically ill. In my country, the number of total beds is about 48 times the number of intensive care beds.