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celeritascelery · 6 years ago
There was off ramp that changed 4 years ago near where I live. Google maps was correct, but Apple always would have you take the wrong exit and you had to loop back. With the most recent update this is finally fixed. However most people still saying that Apple Maps in unreliable. Having big issues like that for years can really damage people’s perception of your product long after it has been changed.
dmd · 6 years ago
And yet it's still wrong often enough to be useless. I'm in near-Boston suburbs (Arlington), and every so often I give Apple Maps a try, and literally every single time I do it's just awful. I just asked it for directions from my work to my house, for example, and it routed me on a limited-access, no motor vehicle bicycle path.
mackey · 6 years ago
I work in downtown Boston and my building's address isn't in Apple Maps. It "corrects" it to some place in JP, which is a residential address. There are several restaurants and and companies in this building, all marked as being in JP. I have submitted a lot of map corrections but all that does is move the location of the business on the map even though it still has the wrong address listed, and navigating to it still brings you to the wrong place.
azinman2 · 6 years ago
Is that true now with the new data?
ldrndll · 6 years ago
Yeah, perceptions like that are really hard to shake, because those people are likely all using Google Maps. I found Apple Maps used to be less reliable than Google Maps, but would still use it. For places that I wasn't sure of, I'd often double check on Google Maps just to be sure. Lately I've been finding more and more instances where - when they differ - the Apple Maps result is the correct one.

It'll be interesting to see how Apple communicate this to iOS users, and if they'll go out of their way to get back users they've lost to Google Maps.

I'm based in the UK, YMMV
Ididntdothis · 6 years ago
In my area (Santa Rosa, CA) Apple Maps is still worse than Google Maps. The routing is often very strange and it sometimes still can't find stores like OfficeDepot close by.
threeseed · 6 years ago
POIs are a whole different story.

I can't speak for US but in Australia and UK it is so far behind Google. It feels like 1/3 of them are simply missing and a 1/3 of them are inaccurate in some way e.g. opening hours.

I don't know how Foursquare and Yelp who supply Apple are surviving right now with such inadequate data.

AmericanChopper · 6 years ago
Years ago Apple maps got me really good. It told me to drive down a road, and then exit on what turned out to be an overpass. Which forced me into a very long round trip that went through a toll gate twice.
mataug · 6 years ago
I've recently switched to using apple maps exclusively as much as possible, and TBH its gotten quite comparable to Google maps. There are still remote places (e.g an address in a small town) which apple maps struggles to find, but for the most part within cities I find myself reaching more often for apple maps.

I'm also one of those people who struggles to translate navigation instructions on a map to real world turns. So features such as highlighting and Stop signs & Traffic signals go a long way in helping me navigate safely.

ajpkco · 6 years ago
Apple Maps displaying stop signs and traffic lights is a killer feature for me. Made me switch from Gmaps.
supernova87a · 6 years ago
How does he get those cutout comparison tiles exactly identical in perspective, position, and zoom level? Does he have some call that allows doing that?
threeseed · 6 years ago
Not sure if this works.

But Apple Maps exists as an OSX app so you could possibly use Apple Script to open the app, navigate to a point and take a photo.

xenospn · 6 years ago
Was wondering that myself. Presumably when you update your maps app or when the server updated, you have no more access to the old maps. Unless he took a whole lot of screenshots in preparation?
et-al · 6 years ago
The URL to an Apple Maps tile includes a version number and numerous style options. It's possible the author knows about historical tile versions and updates the URL to fetch older versions, or has been archiving Apple's tiles periodically.

  https://cdn4.apple-mapkit.com/md/v1/vtile?x=1310&y=3166&z=13&scale=2&style=1&v=2002014&type=poi&lang=en&tint=light&emphasis=standard
Grabbed the tile from Apple's page here: https://developer.apple.com/maps/web/

The author also has their email address listed on their site if we'd like a definite answer.

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Edit: Looks like MapKit provides an easy way to take snapshots: https://developer.apple.com/documentation/snapshots
gen3 · 6 years ago
He could have done the whole “in preparation screenshot” thing using the js api. Or maybe there is a way to call and receive the old maps.
hprotagonist · 6 years ago
Perhaps soon we'll get cycling directions.
jccalhoun · 6 years ago
There is still too much use of green. At least for me, I think green = park. I live near the end of a bypass and on apple maps it looks like a big park. I don't think I would want to go have a picnic on the slope of an off-ramp.
masked_titan · 6 years ago
Can someone tell me where did Apple get all this new data from? Was it taken from OSM, bought from Here Maps or some other provider or just built on their own from sattelites and on the ground surveys?
GeekyBear · 6 years ago
Previously they licensed TomTom's data and tried to fill in gaps with data from OpenStreetMap and others.

Now they have decided to build their own data set from scratch.

>So a new effort was created to begin generating its own base maps, the very lowest building block of any really good mapping system. After that, Apple would begin layering on living location data, high-resolution satellite imagery and brand new intensely high-resolution image data gathered from its ground cars until it had what it felt was a “best in class” mapping product.

https://techcrunch.com/2018/06/29/apple-is-rebuilding-maps-f...

That TechCrunch article has a good overview of their old and new mapping systems.

maxerickson · 6 years ago
I don't have any insight into how they are choosing, but they are investing in improving OpenStreetMap in many places:

https://github.com/osmlab/appledata/issues

rathel · 6 years ago
Due to ODbL licence they can't mix OSM data directly with other data.

Apple does use OSM data, but only in some countries (Belarus for example IIRC), as allowed by https://wiki.osmfoundation.org/wiki/Licence/Community_Guidel...

vineyardmike · 6 years ago
It appears to be most-of-the-above:

https://www.justinobeirne.com/new-apple-maps

dang · 6 years ago
peburrows · 6 years ago
I appreciate the work this author does to compile these posts, but man, every time I visit his site, I get frustrated that there’s no way to stop the map animations to inspect in detail what has actually changed. Invariably, I get frustrated by the constant flashing back and forth and just close the tab without getting the information I’d actually like to get.