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borjamoya · 6 years ago
There are a lot of things going on that I find interesting. But one that has caught my attention is the realization that surveillance is a profitable business.

Live facial recognition deployments cost a lot of money. Just in Cardiff alone the police spent 3 million pounds in this technology. And they have more than 25 police officers and with brand new iPads surveilling people in real time. (I was there.)

Imagine how much money they're going to spend in London now. So besides the obvious human rights related questions, the other not so obvious one is: Who is getting these contracts? Where is that money going?

45ure · 6 years ago
Who is getting these contracts? Where is that money going?

From the official PR, it is NEC Corporation.

https://www.nec.com/en/case/mps/index.html

Metropolitan Police Press Release. http://news.met.police.uk/news/met-begins-operational-use-of...

Traster · 6 years ago
Don’t worry, none of our senior politicians have a track record of directing public funds to private companies owned by people they’re sleeping with.
borjamoya · 6 years ago
And who's getting money behind the scenes?
chmod775 · 6 years ago
> Just in Cardiff alone the police spent 3 million pounds in this technology.

This is and also isn't a lot of money. It's a small amount for an infrastructure project, but it's still 10 pounds per citizen.

You might manage to build a two lane car bridge for that same amount of money. Or a mile of road.

borjamoya · 6 years ago
For less than 50 deployments in the small Cardiff City? That's a lot of dough. They were simple tests. Now in London it's going to be fully operational on a daily basis.

Either way, the major concern is how the UK is building a dangerous surveillance state. I mean, I live in London and I can't go around without being watched. And that's just on the streets.

m463 · 6 years ago
> Who is getting these contracts? Where is that money going?

Stop right there, surveillance should be unidirectional.

More seriously, I wonder if at some time in the future, folks will be able to detect if they are under surveillance? Maybe walk in front of a camera, and see if more ip traffic occurs?

Krasnol · 6 years ago
And why is it not going to actual police officers on the streets so they can do their job?
sjhwywhehhd · 6 years ago
It seems like it is?

>The Metropolitan Police Service announced on ... that it will begin the operational use of Live Facial Recognition (LFR) technology.

>The technology, from NEC, provides police officers with an additional tool to assist them in doing what officers have always done – to try to locate and arrest wanted people

Or are you asking why they don't just hire more police? Because presumably the answer is that you get better savings by augmenting the existing force to be X times more effective than it currently is.

hogFeast · 6 years ago
You should also be concerned about who is doing this. The Met were, until very recently, just as bent as the people they were arresting.
borjamoya · 6 years ago
Big Brother Watch, the UK campaign group fighting facial recognition has opened a petition to stop the deployment of live facial recognition by the Met Police:

https://you.38degrees.org.uk/petitions/stop-the-met-police-u...

rapnie · 6 years ago
So where the EU is now weighing a 5yr ban on FR, the UK after Brexit seems to be going full on to adoption?
ptah · 6 years ago
that is kind of the point of brexit. UK elites have been frustrated at not having the kind of totalitarian control they desire thus far
mywittyname · 6 years ago
Wasn't the EU going to impose some financial transparency rules that had the potential to expose Britain's misdoings?
McDev · 6 years ago
I'm not sure what you mean by that being the point in brexit. Theresa May voted for remain and introduced bills like this one: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Investigatory_Powers_Act_2016
devtul · 6 years ago
This propensity doesn't have to do with Brexit, we've had signs of the UK moving towards a police state long before it.
google234123 · 6 years ago
They put an exception for security related use
brudgers · 6 years ago
The story as reported by the BBC, https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-51237665
dang · 6 years ago
Url changed from https://twitter.com/bbw1984/status/1220681916543840257, which points to this.

If anyone finds a more neutral and substantive article on this, we can change it again.

badumtss · 6 years ago
Imagine that a so called democratic country like the UK would go down the same road as bad and evil China ...
microdrum · 6 years ago
This is interesting in that it seems like explicitly non-live FR: https://blog.clearview.ai/post/2020-01-23-clearview-is-not-p...
ptah · 6 years ago