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Posted by u/noratrace 7 years ago
Ask HN: What are some good resources to learn how to invest and build wealth?
I have recently purchased a home. I have my own business making great money. I have a great work from home engineering job.

Now I have all of this income flowing in and I'm not sure what to do with it. What are some good resources to learn how to best take advantage of this situation?

lacker · 7 years ago
Bogleheads is a pretty good place to learn about conservative investment strategies based on minimizing risk and taxes.

If you want to take a very brief look, start at: https://www.bogleheads.org/wiki/Lazy_portfolios

pembrook · 7 years ago
Bogleheads is the definitive resource for learning about investing on the internet, period. Some of the leading academics and financial advisors are active there and will actually respond to posts written about their research.

Also, I would recommend subscribing to this: http://www.capitalminded.com

It's a weekly email newsletter that reminds me of Matt Levine's Money Stuff but with more a Boglehead-type focus. Kind of like a weekly reminder to stay-the-course backed up with some pretty interesting references from history and academic papers.

Also, don't fall into the trap of checking CNBC, Yahoo Finance, etc. every day. The reason most retail investors fail to match the performance of the same funds they invest in is because of behavioral errors and getting drawn into the emotional drama of markets.

ivm · 7 years ago
The only downside is that it's mostly US-focused. But I spent two weeks reading it and wrote a guide for non-US investors: https://qotoqot.com/blog/early-retirement/
ihsw2 · 7 years ago
This should be at the very top.

Jack Bogle also has great books (including audiobooks) to learn from, albeit dense.

`Common Sense on Mutual Funds` is an excellent treatise to the mantra of `time in the market is always superior to timing the market.` Vanguard continues to rocket to the top in every fund market it enters because people are sick and tired of slick salesmen masquerading as financial advisors.

jaysonelliot · 7 years ago
My number one piece of advice: invest in the market, never invest in individual stocks.

Find the best index fund you can, and let your money grow with the market.

If you want to get into things like individual stocks, or even angel investing, do it for the fun and the experience, but don't do it for the wealth. "Get rich slowly" is the best advice I've ever been given.

koolba · 7 years ago
> My number one piece of advice: invest in the market, never invest in individual stocks.

Number zero advice is to earn more and spend less. The former is at the mercy of your career but the latter almost entirely in your control.

Getting in the habit of saving 50+% of your net income leads to a very happy life as you'll quickly accumulate a true nest egg.

dman · 7 years ago
Around 2007 I used to make fun of a colleague who was an Apple fan for investing his entire savings in Apple stock. As the years have gone by I have felt on many occasions that the joke is on me.

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rubicon33 · 7 years ago
I'm curious, how many years did it take before you realized it was the best advice you've ever been given?

I've been "getting rich slowly" for 8 years, and boy let me tell you, it sure is slow. Definitely doesn't feel like my wealth is growing in index funds fast enough to retire within this life time.

lacker · 7 years ago
The last 8 years has been a pretty good time for investing in indexes. The S&P 500 has gone up by a factor of about 2.5x over that time!

http://www.macrotrends.net/2488/sp500-10-year-daily-chart

If the market hasn't been going up enough for you to feel good about your investments over the past 8 years, you are probably not saving enough to meet your goals.

BraveNewCurency · 7 years ago
> Definitely doesn't feel like my wealth is growing in index funds fast enough to retire within this life time.

Ha ha, I feel the same. But don't discount the fact that small percentage returns are actually exponential growth. (For example, 2% returns actually doubles your money every 10 years.) Just because it 'feels' like your investments are stalled doesn't mean that they are.

charlesdm · 7 years ago
You can play it safe (i.e. "getting rich slowly", like you have been) or you can take more calculated risks.

Higher risk, higher upside, but perhaps the upside is disproportionately higher than the downside or the additional risk you are taking on, so you could be willing to invest in said company / asset / etc.

As a counterexample, I've done great on individual stocks when I really understood the company well. You generally get 2 to 3 good investment ideas per year, so you could go overweight into those ideas.

Stan Druckenmiller (who is an interesting person in itself with unconventional views) uses a similar strategy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c6LgojkA6bo

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asdsa5325 · 7 years ago
Maybe you should double check, because there has been some pretty nice gains over the last 8 years.
bko · 7 years ago
I agree with this. A little knowledge can be very dangerous. If you don't know anything about finance or the market and you had money to invest, you would likely invest in market ETFs. If you knew a little more, you'd be trying to pick stocks or industries. Eventually if you were very knowledgable and experienced, you would go back to picking low cost ETFs and realize you can't beat the market without an edge, and being very smart is not an edge.

And I'll add that the "best" index fund is pretty much the broadest fund with the lowest fees. For example, Dow Jones only has 30 constituents while S&P 500 has 500, so S&P is broader

overeater · 7 years ago
I think there's more to it than that when you start doing this. Like which index fund? The Dow Jones or S&P or total index? And just the US market or including international markets to be more diversified? What broker would you use?
jaxtellerSoA · 7 years ago
>My number one piece of advice: invest in the market, never invest in individual stocks.

I have been disregarding this very prominent advice since 2015. I am up over 200% since then, and up 40% YTD.

This is the same lame advice every financial advisor gives. It is even the advice Warren Buffett would tell you. However, Warren Buffett didn't get where he is today investing in ETF's and mutual funds, he invested in individual stocks.

I completely reject this notion that investing in individual stocks is some extremely difficult thing to do well. That you need to spend countless hours doing high level analysis of a companies financials, that is just plain false.

mikestew · 7 years ago
I have been disregarding this very prominent advice since 2015

IOW, you've never known a down market.

This is the same lame advice every financial advisor gives. It is even the advice Warren Buffett would tell you.

It's all a conspiracy of the professionals, I tell ya! They wouldn't want you making the same returns they do, now would they?

he invested in individual stocks

Buffet bought/buys entire companies, or at least a large part of them.

I completely reject this notion that investing in individual stocks is some extremely difficult thing to do well.

Not that you'll believe me, but you might very well get your comeuppance. I mean, I hope not as I wish financial ill on few people. But you've had great returns only in a bull market, ignore the advice of professionals who have been doing this for decades, and you seem to think stock picking isn't all that hard. I, who has ridden the ups and downs of the market since the 80s, have seen this time and again where a sudden downturn or recession turns those "models" upside-down. The last one that stands prominently in my mind was the dot com bust. Everyone was "up over 200%"...until they weren't.

Anyone else reading can ignore this. Unless you want to make a hobby out of it, go buy S&P 500 index funds, like everyone tells you to do. Oh, sure, splurge $10K on some TSLA or AAPL once in a while if you're feeling lucky, but keep most of it in the general market. If you do wish to make a hobby of it, know that myself and everyone I've personally know who trades regularly has learned some hard and expensive lessons along the way. It's a good education, and you'll likely be a better investor for it, but it's not free.

(Disclaimer: I trade the hell out of individual stocks. Do as I say, not as I do. <g>)

tyrust · 7 years ago
>I have been disregarding this very prominent advice since 2015. I am up over 200% since then, and up 40% YTD.

Doing well over 3 years in a bull market is not very impressive. If you can beat the market over 30 years and through bear markets then you're a force to be reckoned with.

>Warren Buffett didn't get where he is today investing in ETF's and mutual funds

None of us here are Warren Buffett. Most of us here are working full time jobs as software engineers, not investors.

arielweisberg · 7 years ago
Past performance doesn't guarantee future performance. Your strategy has no floor. A strategy based on investing in the entire market has a floor (and ceiling) which is the performance of the market itself. It also performs the same for everyone who participates and guarantees the same outcome with no active management risk.
vitaflo · 7 years ago
As a business owner the single best benefit you have is contributing to a Solo 401k or SEP-IRA. You can contribute much more into these than an employee can in a typical 401k. It will also help come tax time. I recommend setting one up and maxing it out every year.

As for what to invest in, just go with boring index funds with the lowest expense ratio possible. There is no reason to get cute with investments. Upping your savings rate will do more to build wealth than anything. Let compound interest do the rest.

Finance and wealth building is mostly psychological. Thinking you're smarter than the market is a fools errand because you can't control it. Work on the things you can control like your income and savings rate. Increasing your sweat equity is something you have direct control over as well as how much you spend. Optimizing those will have huge effects on your long term wealth path.

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pembrook · 7 years ago
Reddit is good for things like getting out of credit card debt, how big of a mortgage should I take, and other basic personal finance stuff.

However I've seen some pretty bad advice thrown around when it comes to investing.

Bogleheads is a much better resource for that.

davidhegarty · 7 years ago
Going to echo this one. Plus the following two books: 1/ Richest man in Babylon 2/ Rich Dad, Poor Dad.

Both written for the simplest of readers but great advice clearly told.

(Summaries are probably good enough)

EnFinlay · 7 years ago
Summary of Rich Dad, Poor Dad:

Assets are things that give you money. Liabilities are things that cost you money. Therefore your house is a liability until it is sold, at which point it MIGHT be a net asset. Try to maximize your assets and minimize your liabilities.

It sounds simple, and it is, but that's the primary lesson in the book IMO. It's eye-opening the first time you see things that way.

jsshah · 7 years ago
Rule of 12: Start with $12000 and invest in index fund (S&P500 SPY)

every month invest $1000 into that fund (you can always invest rest of the savings in other investments)

S&P long term annual return is 12% (Assuming it remains that)

After 10 years: ~250K After 20 years: ~1M After 30 years: ~3.25M

So if you are in your 30s, when you retire you should have approx 3M from this investment alone (other mutual funds, stocks, real estate, 401K aside)

Now each year you can withdraw 100K for next 30 years (65 - 95)

acconrad · 7 years ago
It's known as "the index card"[1] and it's really the best advice for 99% of people who just want to make the most of their money:

1. max your 401k

2. buy a low cost mutual/index fund (e.g. VFINX)

3. never buy individual stocks/bonds

4. save 20% of your money

5. pay off your credit card balance in full every month

6. maximize tax-advantaged savings accounts (e.g. SEP, IRA)

7. pay attention to fees (i.e. avoid actively-managed mutual funds)

8. only use financial advisors who adhere to a fiduciary standard

9. promote social insurance programs to help people when things go wrong

[1] https://img.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/files/2013/09/...

imgabe · 7 years ago
Start with the stock series from jcollinsh (financial blogger)

http://jlcollinsnh.com/stock-series/

This gives a good intro to why index funds are probably your best bet. If you are willing to put in a lot of additional time and research, you may be able to do better picking individual stocks, but probably not.

woldemariam · 7 years ago
His book is also great

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01H97OQY2/ref=dp-kindle-redirect?...

The Simple Path to Wealth

arielweisberg · 7 years ago
Four Pillars of Investing by William Bernstein https://www.amazon.com/Four-Pillars-Investing-Building-Portf...