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Lazare · 8 years ago
What interesting to me is just how prevalent this sort of thing is. For a long time (at least 10 years), students applying for financial aid in the US are routinely told to 1) fill out a FAFSA (Free Application for Federal Student Aid) and 2) not click the top few results when they google it because they'll be semi-scam sites that charge you money to "help" you fill out the form[1].

Which is, as near as I can tell, exactly what these people have been convicted of doing? Maybe these people shaded the truth a bit more; the FAFSA application sites tend to have disclaimers. Eg https://www.fafsa-application.com/ has a fairly prominent disclaimer, presumably because they believe anything less will get them sued.

[1]: Although when I tested it just now, it seems Google has got better about filtering them out of the organic results, at least, since I went through college. Which is good for students I guess.

lopmotr · 8 years ago
It makes sense for private companies to repackage government "services" in a more applicant-friendly way, and of course take a cut for doing so. Governments are notoriously bad at doing it themselves, especially visa applications. I suppose being open about it and not impersonating the government is the key difference between ethical and not.
sdhgaiojfsa · 8 years ago
> I suppose being open about it and not impersonating the government is the key difference between ethical and not.

That and being honest about how much value you are bringing to the table. If you don't actually improve on the free version, it is unethical to sell.

And you should never use language to imply a value proposition where there is none. For example, someone else posted a link to some green card scammers. One of their claims is:

> "USAFIS GUARANTEES 100% participation in the Lottery!"

This may be true, but it is still an unethical statement. It hints that this is a net positive vs. the free application the USG provides, but in fact any valid, submitted application participates in the lottery.

ascorbic · 8 years ago
In most of these UK examples they're imitating sites that are easy to use already. There's no indication that they're any easier.
joering2 · 8 years ago
Absolutely and nothing illegal about that, at least in most reasonably acting countries. Dont forget you talking about UK where they continue attempt to ban encryption and pass laws toake all your data visible and accessible to the government at any given time.
intralizee · 8 years ago
Reading this article is remarkably comical. I understand what they did is labeled as criminal. Yet it's funny how a lot of businesses are similar and in this world they're legal.

"They showed no regard for the unnecessary costs they imposed on their victims - I would say they treated them with contempt." - Hmm that isn't new.

crtasm · 8 years ago
Businesses that don't pretend to be an official government service are fairly dissimilar from this case, but yes - I agree with the sentiment!
summer_steven · 8 years ago
It also reminds me of my time in Southern Italy government officials with mob connections tried to exploit me when i lost my passport
nutmeg · 8 years ago
There are a couple of Reply All episodes that talk about almost this exact same scam. Fake taxi service lost and found sites, fake DMV sites etc.

https://www.gimletmedia.com/reply-all/76-lost-in-a-cab

https://www.gimletmedia.com/reply-all/78-very-quickly-to-the...

sprite · 8 years ago
This site does something similar for green card lottery: https://www.usafis.org

They do offer a clear disclaimer though.

usaphp · 8 years ago
My friend has actually won a green card through a website like that (unofficial) he forgot about ever applying and people from this website spent considerable time and effort to contact him and let him know that he won, they called his Russian phone number and got a hold of him miraculously, I am pretty sure had he applied directly through the official dvlottery site, he would never know that he won. so sometimes this type of sites do what they say.
pavel_lishin · 8 years ago
I wonder how they processed payments, and what their "getaway" plan was, beyond "let's hope we don't get caught".
superasn · 8 years ago
Yes the money trail would have been quite crucial in tracking them down I suppose. I don't think they could be accepting Bitcoins on a govt. looking site.

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pfisch · 8 years ago
freecreditreport.com

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