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tyingq · 9 years ago
How do claps == engagement?

I read quite a lot of articles that are well written, but that I don't agree with. So, I'm engaged, but I likely won't "clap".

Wouldn't this drive writers to just pander to the majority opinion?

5trokerac3 · 9 years ago
That's all blogging ever has been. It's been long overdue that we stop pretending it's the new home of the literati.
adrianN · 9 years ago
Has it ever been different? It's very hard to get published if you write things that don't appeal to a large number of people.
conception · 9 years ago
Or worse, lowest common denominator "10 reasons to get a dog!" BuzzFeed style posts.
cvsh · 9 years ago
That's pretty much exactly what Medium is, except with a self-help / entrepreneurship spin
rch · 9 years ago
I also think that it's a mistake to conflate public sharing with engagement, but the renumeration model is sound. Hopefully they'll roll out another redesign that manages to keep the economic mechanics intact.
pasquinelli · 9 years ago
not necessarily. pandering to a strongly held minority opinion might get more claps, or a steadier stream of claps over the long run.

(does medium call likes claps? is that what a clap is?)

occamrazor · 9 years ago
(does medium call likes claps? is that what a clap is?)

Apparently yes, with the additional twist that one can give multiple claps to a story.

abhisuri97 · 9 years ago
While the idea of showing extent of engagement is great, I can't help but notice that articles which would only have 10-12 recommends have 200-300 claps mostly bc those claps come from friends of the author trying to promote the story. It makes it incredibly difficult as a reader to objectively ascertain what is actually more recommended by people. Additionally, as a reader, I have no idea what amount of claps is appropriate (eg is 10 claps excessive for a good article or is it not enough?). The recommend model was excellent, don't fix it if it aint broke.
CharlesW · 9 years ago
I couldn't agree with this more. And from many other services that have since simplified their ratings, Medium should already know that people are going to give articles either one "clap" or all the "claps" they can, making the additional feedback precision mostly pointless.

I actually find myself using Medium less recently, I think because of this (perceived, at least) additional complexity.

maxscam · 9 years ago
Is there really any way around this? It seams like the cheapest kind of social engineering
uuoc · 9 years ago
Attention Medium writers: If you want claps, then you must insist that Medium drop the dickbars (see: https://daringfireball.net/2017/06/medium_dickbars).

Medium with dickbars? = No claps.

eterm · 9 years ago
Are dickbars the things that break me reading medium by popping up every time I highlight text? (Which I do frequently while reading).
have_faith · 9 years ago
I highlight text as I'm reading too, clicking very fast as I do. Every time one of those share boxes pops up and because of my fast clicking I accidentally click some 'tweet highlighted text' button I almost have an aneurysm.
maxscam · 9 years ago
If were doing that, we should get rid of the mandatory double spacing as well

Dead Comment

zoul · 9 years ago
BTW: A branding statement from Medium shared with Poynter says the new wordmark and branding system "reflects the unique and dynamic nature of the ideas you can find on Medium without compromising the voices and stories shared."

It always amazes me that people can come up with this stuff with a straight face.

bryanrasmussen · 9 years ago
in my experience you don't come up with it with a straight face, but you do publicize it with a straight face.
metalliqaz · 9 years ago
Absolutely. Similar things happen in other fields from engineering to showbiz. (aka brainstorming) What amazes me is that people have a different "mode" in publicity/advertising that allows them to consume this stuff seriously.
_pmf_ · 9 years ago
Years spent in business school has conditioned them for this.
return0 · 9 years ago
They should know nobody falls for that
perlgeek · 9 years ago
Tracking reading would probably be a better measure than something that a reader has to do consciously.

With the extra action required, you reward agreeable content, not necessarily interesting content.

exidy · 9 years ago
Seems like a recipe for clapbait.
bradgessler · 9 years ago
And clapfraud
welcomebrand · 9 years ago
and Russian clapfarms
raleigh_user · 9 years ago
Its about time for facebook to buy medium and roll it into some sort of longer form content portion of their offering.

LinkedIn/Microsoft acquiring them would also be interesting since writing on LI is absolutely horrible.

Seems medium is lost product wise. It is getting progressively worse and the new "clap" feature is hilariously bad.

dredmorbius · 9 years ago
That creates the obvious problem that Facebook would then own it, and use it to feed its own gaping personal behavioural tracking maw.

No. Fucking. Thanks.

danielharrison · 9 years ago
I like the clap feature. I wasn't quite sure what to think of it at the start but it definitely better than a binary 'like'.

It gives me the ability to drop 'claps' as I'm scrolling through an article and liking certain parts. I get to the end and there's a total of however-many claps I've clapped.

I hope medium are tracking the position each clap was made, along with certain things like if a user genuinely read the article - opposed to those who just clapped from the front page or at the top of the article without scrolling.

jmnicolas · 9 years ago
Do you really want a writer to wright for claps or to say what she has to say ?
makecheck · 9 years ago
One problem with that is Facebook is likely to hide all content behind a login wall. At least now the text is accessible.
mgiannopoulos · 9 years ago
"Medium pays authors by dividing up every individual subscriber’s fee between the different articles they’ve read that month."

So if you read one article during a month , your entire fee would go to one source even if you are subscribed to many sources ? Not sure how to feel about this.

Taek · 9 years ago
That sorta makes sense. If you were the one article that brought a user online that month, and the user is a full paying user, perhaps you earned it.

Really though I think you should give articles a weight that's got a six month half-life or so. Users who read articles 6 months ago are still paying out to those authors, but not as much as they are paying out to the recent articles.

metalliqaz · 9 years ago
Why? It's the consumer's fault s/he over paid for one article. Author got lucky. Good for them.
mgiannopoulos · 9 years ago
If I want to support a source without remembering to read every article or clap a thousand times , I can't under this model.

Plus, is this going to be transparent to the readers? Will I know how my 5$ were split among sources?

return0 · 9 years ago
You even incentivize readers to read more. What's not to love?
paulcole · 9 years ago
But it's in the writer's best interest that I only read 1 article, theirs. Also, it's probably best for Medium that I read fewer articles- at least then some writers earn a reasonable amount of money and stick around instead of everybody earning a pittance.