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davideous · 10 years ago
This reminds me of the elevation of Mt Everest as determined in 1856:

> Peak XV (measured in feet) was calculated to be exactly 29,000 ft (8,839.2 m) high, but was publicly declared to be 29,002 ft (8,839.8 m) in order to avoid the impression that an exact height of 29,000 feet (8,839.2 m) was nothing more than a rounded estimate

Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mount_Everest

skarap · 10 years ago
> This reminds me of the elevation of Mt Everest as determined in 1856:

Or the joke about the museum guide telling visitors the dinosaur skeleton is 100,000,005 years old, because when he started there 5 years ago, an expert told him it was 100 million years old.

specialist · 10 years ago
I have Creationists in my family. I don't poke the bear.

But I've always wanted to ask how the Earth is perpetually 6,000 years old.

Another question, if the assorted Creationists can't agree on the true age, then why do they get huffy about science's varying estimates?

Oh well.

ascorbic · 10 years ago
Archaeologists deal with this by defining the "present" in "before present" as 1st Jan 1950. It helps that that's before widespread nuclear testing messed up the radioisotope levels.
tehwalrus · 10 years ago
QI did this as a question, asking who was the first person to "put two feet on the top of Mt Everest".
zuck9 · 10 years ago
So, in order to prevent people from assuming it was incorrect, they made it incorrect...
DonHopkins · 10 years ago
However, not as incorrect as people would have otherwise assumed it was.

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noobie · 10 years ago
They simply rounded the weights in pounds to the next hundred which resulted in the extra 644lbs.

Python code:

    import math
    def roundup(x):
	return int(math.ceil(x / 100.0)) * 100

    materials_in_kgs =  [12750000,6090000,5420000,2050000,1340000,86000,18000,20000,59000,2000,3000,1000]
    materials_in_lbs = [i*2.204 for i in materials_in_kgs]

    materials_in_lbs_rounded = [roundup(i) for i in materials_in_lbs]

    print sum(materials_in_lbs_rounded)

jxy · 10 years ago
Their marketing decision is really odd. I guess the engineer that came up with kg numbers decided to round it in 1000kg, which is reasonable to me. Whoever got the number don't like kg, and converted to lb. Someone else adding the number up actually counts in 100lb, and thinks it's better just to round up.

And yeah, the last two zero is fishy, I first tried to do a simple round, and wondered where's the extra 600. It's always fun to write it in a different language:

    100×+/⌈.01×2.204×12750000 6090000 5420000 2050000 1340000 86000 18000 20000 59000 2000 3000 1000

noobie · 10 years ago
Exactly. Too bad two wrongs don't make a right.

What language is that?

rocky1138 · 10 years ago
Good work! Slight nitpick: the author gave you credit in an update but neglected to link to your comment. Thankfully it wasn't hard to find.
tacos · 10 years ago
Winner! Plus style points for providing code.
iolothebard · 10 years ago
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madeofpalk · 10 years ago
I find it very amusing that Apple is boasting about reducing the size of packaging, but they're still shipping accessories from their online store out in boxes about 15 times larger than required.

http://i.imgur.com/sMyvO6o.jpg

I've noticed this not only with their packaging for third party accessories, but also for first party ones like the new Magic Mouse 2

gcr · 10 years ago
On the other hand, this way they get to make fewer kinds of boxes, which means keeping less empty packages around the factory. They're depending on you to recycle that box. :-)
qzervaas · 10 years ago
I would assume this is to create greater logistical efficiencies in ways we don't see.

Side note, I'd be quite interested to see the details of their contracts with courier companies (e.g. TNT deliver all of their new products here in Australia, although AusPost send/receive product replacements)

madeofpalk · 10 years ago
Yeah, I always assumed it was to make other efficiencies elsewhere, but it's difficult to appreciate that when you get an order shipped in two massive boxes and an envelope when it would easily ship in one http://imgur.com/a/Yv9wD

> I'd be quite interested to see the details of their contracts with courier companies

This is always something that has interested me. Most of the time I get my orders from TNT, but sometimes they'll also come from Startrack. I once had a single order spread over both TNT and Startrack, and a friend ordered iPhone at the same time as me (during launch) and his came via Startrack and mine came via TNT. For what it's worth, Apple uses TNT to ship stuff internally to its retail stores.

fredwu · 10 years ago
In metric countries (like Australia) Apple does publish the numbers in kg: https://www.apple.com/au/environment/resources/ :)
Symbiote · 10 years ago
But they've clearly been converted to pounds, then back to kilograms.

  Lead 19,994
  Tin 1,999
  Silver 2,999
  Gold 1,000

soneil · 10 years ago
Interesting. For the UK they just say 1 tonne, 2 tonnes, etc - https://www.apple.com/uk/environment/resources/

So everyone’s trying to play this as some conspiracy of fictional numbers. All we’ve actually found is that Apple do localize their site, and possibly some weaknesses in how they do so.

13of40 · 10 years ago
As an American, I feel it's a little bit condescending for them to assume we can't consume the numbers in metric units. I also kind of wonder how much gold they actually recovered. Marketing logic says they rounded up, but what if they only recovered, say, ten bushels worth, do they still round up to a tonne?
CognitiveLens · 10 years ago
It may be condescending, but I would be astounded if the majority of Americans could estimate the value of 1000kg in lbs within an order of magnitude.

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TillE · 10 years ago
Somebody clearly never learned about significant figures. This happens all the time even among people who really should know better, giving false precision to imprecise measurements.
kccqzy · 10 years ago
It's probably an educational issue as well. In the place where I came from, the people who ended up writing promotional copy were mostly humanities students in high school and university, but significant figures is considered an "intermediate" science topic not taught to humanities students.
chambo622 · 10 years ago
In the US, significant figures are included in standard high school science courses. That doesn't mean they aren't forgotten though.
nraynaud · 10 years ago
In France, in science we had to answer with the same number of digit after the decimal point as given in the exercise. It didn't feel right to me when that was crunched through logs and sine, but I got nowhere when I brought it up to the teacher. And even now the whole premise is flawed to me, because it's about significant digits, not just the number of figures after the decimal point, if you compute a times ten you have to remove one digit after the decimal point.

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InclinedPlane · 10 years ago
Nice catch, I didn't notice that at all when I saw their numbers originally, though the fact that the Tin and Silver numbers are a multiple of the Gold numbers should be a big tip off.

One thing I'd like to know more about is how environmentally sensitive this processing actually is. My guess is that this takes place somewhere where they do a lot of other extraction from electronics components as well, probably China, and those processes are not necessarily too environmentally friendly. Extracting Gold, Tin, Copper, Silver, etc. often involves the use of strong acids, and the use of many other potentially hazardous chemicals. If care is taken it can be a relatively clean process, but if care is not taken it's pretty easy to damage the environment by just dumping the waste byproducts.

Example: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electronic_waste_in_Guiyu

function_seven · 10 years ago
My rant related to this:

How It's Made[1] often has lines like, "The worker places the assembly in a oven that heats the metal to 1,292 degrees Fahrenheit". Which is an oddly-specfic temperature before you realize they just converted it from 700°C. Since it's highly doubtful the oven maintains precisely 700°C—and since it's not important to the viewer what the exact temperature is anyway—it annoys me that they don't just say "1,300°F" instead.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/How_It%27s_Made

colejohnson66 · 10 years ago
Fun fact: the reason the human body temperature is said to be 98.6 °F is because of rounding between units. It originally was said to be 100 °F, which when converted to Celsius is 37.77 °C. Round that down to 37 °C and convert back and you get the oddly specific 98.6 °F (despite the fact the human body temperature can fluctuate quite a few degrees [Fahrenheit] throughout the day).

I read this somewhere (credible), but I can't remember where, so sorry, but no source. It may be wrong, but the 98.6 °F is oddly specific and happens to line up perfectly with a round number when converted to °C.

3JPLW · 10 years ago
I don't think that's true.

The Fahrenheit scale was originally defined to have 0° at the coldest measurable value at the lab bench (salt-water slurry), 32° at the freezing point of water, and 96° for human body temperature. Why use those numbers? It's really easy to make even gradations with with powers of two: just half the length each time. Pretty clever, but of course this has a problem in that there's no guarantee that the three points are co-linear. So it was eventually redefined to simply be defined based upon the freezing/boiling points of water — from 32-212, based upon approximate extrapolations of the scale at the time. They may have even aimed for an even 180 degree separation between the two points. And this leads to the exact 9/5ths conversion ratio (212-32 / 100) from Celsius.

I think the 37°C -> 98.6°F is just a coincidence.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fahrenheit#History

King-Aaron · 10 years ago
When it comes to things like this, I just don't understand how you guys using the imperial system can do your mental arithmetic easily.
legohead · 10 years ago
A few comments.. When I measure my temperature I consistently get 98.6. However, my wife usually measures higher, often slightly above 99.

Back to my wife. She is a native Russian, and when I asked her what they check for in Russia, she said 36.6 celcius, so that would help support your theory.

function_seven · 10 years ago
The fact that it converts perfectly to a round °C number is all the evidence I need. Thanks.
Symbiote · 10 years ago
When broadcast in Britain, the voiceover uses metric units. Presumably the Canadian version does too.

If I lived there, it would annoy me more that they don't say 700°C in the USA...

function_seven · 10 years ago
I think the same thing with length units. They're always saying, "The operator cuts the widget into four tenths of an inch increments" and I get unreasonably mad at the TV, shouting, "Ya mean a centimeter?!" If they were really using the imperial system, it would be 3/8", not 0.4.

But for temperature, I just can't relate to °C. I've been too indoctrinated in °F so long. But with higher values, like 700, it's not hard to double it in my head and get a reasonable approximation. So yeah, just give it to me in whatever unit the factory is actually using. Especially if there's a visible control panel in the shot.

jakozaur · 10 years ago
Well, most of the world uses metric system and this dashboard is more about providing magnitude of recycling to public than an accountant statement.