yadingus (u/yadingus)

yadingus commented on Mindfulness-based programs show promise in reducing psychological distress nature.com/articles/s4422... · Posted by u/_kyran

guerrilla · 2 years ago

I have no idea how you misunderstood "stress is actually physiological" as some kind of claim about dualism.

yadingus · 2 years ago

> The mind can be a contributing factor but it is absolutely not necessary. Injuries that you're entirely unconscious of can cause significant levels of stress which are measurable.

You're making a division between mind and body, stating that stress can occur without the mind.

yadingus commented on Mindfulness-based programs show promise in reducing psychological distress nature.com/articles/s4422... · Posted by u/_kyran

guerrilla · 2 years ago

> The unconscious is the mind too.

No, I think this is meaningless. What you're refering to is the brain. Positing a subcoscious mind adds nothing to the explanatory model since everything this supposed entity does is already done by the brain and pretty well understood at that. Occam's razor. You're stuck in old Cartesian metaphysics (dualism and parallelism) which has been superceded by better scientific undetstandings for quite a while now.

yadingus · 2 years ago

The mind is more than the brain.

Dualism is proposing that there is a clear division between mind and body, which is your original claim that I'm debating.

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guerrilla · 2 years ago

I didn't say anything about external sources of stress. I said sources of stress. External events cause stress in the body which can be measured physiologically and neurologically. The mind can be a contributing factor but it is absolutely not necessary. Injuries that you're entirely unconscious of can cause significant levels of stress which are measurable.

yadingus · 2 years ago

> Injuries that you're entirely unconscious of can cause significant levels of stress which are measurable.

The unconscious is the mind too.

Body and mind are interdependent, without mind the body would be dead.

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illwrks · 2 years ago

It depends on the nature of the stress. If you're over worked you don't have time for mindfulness apps.

yadingus · 2 years ago

There's a famous quote, paraphrased:

If you can, meditate for 10 minutes a day.

If you're too busy, then meditate for 30 minutes a day.

yadingus commented on Mindfulness-based programs show promise in reducing psychological distress nature.com/articles/s4422... · Posted by u/_kyran

spaceheater · 2 years ago

[Emerging evidence that mindfulness can sometimes increase selfish tendencies] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31306000

[Too Much Mindfulness Can Worsen Your Mental Health] https://www.verywellhealth.com/mindfulness-can-be-harmful-re...

yadingus · 2 years ago

If your body is ill and needs surgery, the aftermath of the surgery can make you feel worse for a while.

Likewise, if not understood well, not accompanied by proper understanding (which is a symptom of the western approach), it can just be poorly performed.

Quality, not quantity.

yadingus commented on Mindfulness-based programs show promise in reducing psychological distress nature.com/articles/s4422... · Posted by u/_kyran

guerrilla · 2 years ago

> Stress is all about perception.

No, stress is actually physiological. What your saying is limited to specific sources of stress.

yadingus · 2 years ago

The mind is the brain and the body. Stress is generated by the mind when contacting external objects, or when reliving past trauma.

There is no such thing as an external source of stress. You can't measure how much stress an object or situation is objectively emitting, because it is a response generated by the mind itself.

As such it can only be examined by the mind itself, and with that it can be mastered.

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miroljub · 2 years ago

Mindfulness meditation may reduce stress levels, but only temporary. Instead of focusing on the source of stress and trying to solve the underlying issues, it fights the symptoms.

I don't say that it doesn't "work", but one should be aware of the limitation of mindfulness practices, and look at it just as one of the tools in a tool set to fight stress, not as a holy grail, like many of its proponents preach.

yadingus · 2 years ago

The real source of stress is the mind.

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varispeed · 2 years ago

It's more in the vein of advice you get on the plane - when oxygen masks drop you need to put the mask first before putting another over the face of someone you care for.

yadingus · 2 years ago

In that analogy, compassion and love are the oxygen. If you hold on to anger and defensiveness in order to "fend for yourself" it's like failing to put on your oxygen mask because you hold on to your valuables, thinking someone is going to steal them in the middle of a plane crash.

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varispeed · 2 years ago

> Living & acting out of compassion (boddhicitta): if your main focus is other not yourself, a huge relief of worries is gone, and meaning arises naturally. Of course here articial part.

You'll easily become a victim of people who exploit "caretakers". You'll become an unpaid servant. People need to look after themselves first.

yadingus · 2 years ago

The first step in looking after yourself is getting to know your own mind.

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scns · 2 years ago

There are the teachings of Siddhartha Gautama and there is the religion Buddhism created by his followers. He said: This is my truth, see for yourself if it is true for you too. This is the reason i take him seriously, in contrast to the monotheistic myths that all claim to have the only truth.

> Understanding emptiness

The other points are valid to me, this one belongs in the realm of metaphysics for me.

Buddha said a lot of good things IMHO, but very questionable stuff too. "Monasteries are allowed to own slaves, individual monks not." for example. If you mention that, Buddhists get uneasy and/or defensive.

There is a nice App called Buddha Quotes on F-Droid. I recommend to install it via Foxy Droid:

https://f-droid.org/repo/nya.kitsunyan.foxydroid_4.apk

yadingus · 2 years ago

> Understanding emptiness

> The other points are valid to me, this one belongs in the realm of metaphysics for me.

Isn't this something both the Buddha and modern science agree on? Matter if comprised of mostly empty space. It's physics, no meta.