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pwdisswordfish8 commented on YouTube takes down independent court livestreams   twitter.com/ReturnOfTheFl... · Posted by u/crocodiletears
Natsu · 4 years ago
I don't think I saw that person's testimony, so I'll have to find and review it. Thank you for that. If this is correct, then I would correct my wording from re-racking to racking. You're right that it casts doubt on whether he was not prepared to shoot anyone. After all, why'd he prepare his gun to fire if he wasn't willing to do so?
pwdisswordfish8 · 4 years ago
> If this is correct, then I would correct my wording

You should want to correct it regardless of the outcome of that "if".

The fact is, (a) you are carelessly speculating about details when we are right in the middle of a mess that was caused by rampant speculation—the fact that contradictory testimony and video happens to exist is not what made the claim unkosher—and (b) even if you weren't wrong and were recounting pure facts, you are derailing the discussion.

pwdisswordfish8 commented on YouTube takes down independent court livestreams   twitter.com/ReturnOfTheFl... · Posted by u/crocodiletears
Natsu · 4 years ago
Well, if you don't want to engage in that, don't. Don't claim to have video evidence in your back pocket and then not show it to anyone because you want to shut down other people's discussions. Don't seize on part of my comment and then come back like it's unfair when it happens to you.

This isn't trial by Reddit, this is discussion of the evidence that has been investigated by professional investigators and presented as evidence in open court. The only thing I mentioned that wasn't raised and cross-examined in a court of law was the statement on ABC, by the same person who had said something different under oath just before.

You're the one alluding to some mystery video you won't describe.

pwdisswordfish8 · 4 years ago
> this is discussion of the evidence

You (and by now, others, too) are derailing the thread from the topic at hand by trying to make it one, but no, that's not what this is.

this thread is about the meta issues of epistemology in the age of social media echo chambers and the contributions of traditional media to it, and we're best served by staying on that topic

There is no shortage of places to discuss the night of the Kenosha shooting. This is not one of them.

pwdisswordfish8 commented on YouTube takes down independent court livestreams   twitter.com/ReturnOfTheFl... · Posted by u/crocodiletears
Natsu · 4 years ago
I'm basing my opinions on those statements made in open court that were subjected to cross-examination, not random social media nonsense, which is pretty much all there was a year ago when you formed this opinion.

The police said the unspent round did not match Kyle's weapon. It does match the ammo in the Glock.

If you have video evidence of another Glock (EDIT: or any other gun using the same ammo) being racked at the scene, please show it. There were claims previously that it came from Kyle's rifle, but it was not a match and this is attested to by the prosecution's own police witness.

I was not able to locate any other claims for where the unspent round came from after several searches. This makes me wonder if you can actually produce the claimed video evidence of another source of the same ammo.

pwdisswordfish8 · 4 years ago
> a year ago when you formed this opinion

This is a nonsense sentence. It's not even clear what you're even trying to say here, but it's certain that whatever it is you are making even more bad assumptions about things that you don't actually know to be true.

> please show it [...] I was not able to locate any other claims for where the unspent round came from

It's like you ignored the entire message and homed in on the sweet temptation to muse further about the events of the night of the shooting itself, as if this were exactly the sort of trial-by-Reddit thread that I said I would not take part in here.

After the response you just received, do you really expect that the person who wrote it would meet your challenge, which would require an about-face, throwing everything just said out the window, and willingly contributing to derailing the discussion from the topic at hand?

In other words: no, and furthermore, since you're all over this thread trying to turn it into exactly what it shouldn't be: please stop.

pwdisswordfish8 commented on YouTube takes down independent court livestreams   twitter.com/ReturnOfTheFl... · Posted by u/crocodiletears
Natsu · 4 years ago
Yes, that was terrible. First, here's a copy of the photo of their interaction for reference which I found online. There are plenty of copies, including in the tweet referenced by Snopes below if you don't like this one:

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/290695292964306948/90...

Now here's what Grosskreutz said on the stand:

Corey Chirafisi: Now, you’d agree your firearm is pointed at Mr. Rittenhouse. Correct?

Gaige Grosskreutz: Yes.

CC: Okay. And once your firearm is pointed at Mr. Rittenhouse, that’s when he fires his gun. Yes?

GG: No.

CC: Sir, look, I don’t want to – does this look like right now your arm is being shot?

GG: That looks like my bicep being vaporized, yes.

CC: Okay. And it’s being vaporized as you’re pointing your gun directly at him. Yes?

GG: Yes.

CC: Okay. So when you were standing 3-5 feet from him with your arms up in the air, he never fired. Right?

GG: Correct.

CC: It wasn’t until you pointed your gun at him, advanced on him with your gun — now your hands down — pointed at him that he fired. Right?

GG: Correct.

Now compare that to what Grosskreutz said to ABC: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oocNVvTHP5M

ABC: "So here you’re allowed to say whatever you feel like you need to say. So you’re saying you weren’t pointing your gun at him? Is that what you’re saying?”

Grosskreutz: “That’s absolutely what I’m saying, yes.

Problems with this:

* Grosskreutz has a $10M lawsuit against the city over this.

* Grosskreutz' phone was not searched, despite a signed search warrant for the same, due to the DA's personal intervention. Nor was his and only his police interview recorded.

* Grosskreutz has an expired CCL, so was not legally carrying.

* As a side note, the illegal gun charge against Kyle, meanwhile, was dropped. Kyle was not carrying a short-barreled rifle, so Kyle's possession was ruled to be legal under WI's poorly-written laws.

* Grosskreutz lied to the police both about having a gun at all, then later changed his story to dropping it, but was caught on camera in possession of it the entire time.

* The police testified that this is the one and only time they have ever done things that way.

* Grosskreutz testified that he chose to attack because Kyle re-racked his gun. However, this does not happen anywhere in the video of the exchange and no unspent ammo from Kyle's gun was found.

* What was found is an unspent round matching Grosskreutz' glock.

* This implies that Grosskreutz re-racked his gun at some point--something he claims is a threat to kill.

* While that was not seen on camera, this must have happened while he still had two arms.

* Grosskreutz' roommate posted on social media that Grosskreutz regretted not killing Kyle. He later claimed to have been lying when brought to the stand.

In short, ABC put on someone who has changed their story multiple times when confronted with new evidence, who provably lied to the cops that were investigating a murder, and who has $10 million reasons to lie about everything.

This particular exchange has even been fact-checked, so ABC has little excuse for platforming someone they know or should have known to be lying without challenging them:

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/kyle-rittenhouse-gaige-gro...

One wonders if this coverage will ever show up with a "disputed by fact checkers" label on social media?

pwdisswordfish8 · 4 years ago
> * This implies that Grosskreutz re-racked his gun at some point--something he claims is a threat to kill.

It doesn't imply that. It would be nice if, in a thread about the media misreporting the facts of the case and feeding the biases of the folks who are supposed to be benefiting from the coverage, we wouldn't make other assumptions. You might think it's reasonable to make this assumption, but (a) the people leaping to conclusions—many of which turned out to be wrong—and repeating them ad nauseum over the last year also thought their assumptions about Rittenhouse were reasonable, and (b) as it turns out, the source of the ejected round is knowable/known since it was also caught on video (and it wasn't Grosskreutz doing as you said).

[I'm not going to actually delve into the details on that, since as far as I'm concerned this thread is about the meta issues of epistemology in the age of social media echo chambers and the contributions of traditional media to it, and we're best served by staying on that topic and not straying into the details of the case, which provides us a vehicle for the discussion but other than that is really just a tangential third rail.]

pwdisswordfish8 commented on Making the dislike count private across YouTube   support.google.com/youtub... · Posted by u/minimaxir
MMS21 · 4 years ago
Have you ever tried watching a tutorial and come across one that has a ton of dislikes? Its a clear indicator that the video is a waste of time. Removing this is going to waste peoples time.
pwdisswordfish8 · 4 years ago
> Removing this is going to waste peoples time.

The term of art is ‘increase engagement’.

pwdisswordfish8 commented on ISO should make all standards Publicly Available   docs.google.com/document/... · Posted by u/yegle
traceroute66 · 4 years ago
In most cases, the answer to your problem is "you're using it wrong".

On EVS, what you normally want to do is look up the EVS version, not the ISO/IEC version (because they also resell the original).

The EVS version is the regional version, which is for all intensive purposes identical to the original version (the topic has been covered before on HN, I'll try to find the link to the original).

But in your case it looks like unfortunately there isn't a regionalised version of 9075-2. ;-(

But just to demonstrate my point, let's take ISO9000 ...

    ISO9000:2015 at EUR197.77 [1]
    EVS-EN ISO 9000:2015 at EUR33.49 [2]

    [1] https://www.evs.ee/en/iso-9000-2015
    [2] https://www.evs.ee/en/evs-en-iso-9000-2015
Edit to add, if my understanding of the nomenclature is correct the BSI have a regionalised version (BS ISO/IEC 9075 1-4, 9-11, 13-14:2016) for GBP66 (or GBP33 for members)[3]

   [3]https://shop.bsigroup.com/products/information-technology-database-languages-sql

pwdisswordfish8 · 4 years ago
> intensive purposes

What

pwdisswordfish8 commented on But What's Up with That ¥?   twitter.com/UINT_MIN/stat... · Posted by u/mmastrac
fomine3 · 4 years ago
The original yen mark for Japanese computer is "\" U+005C, that is rendered same as U+00A5.
pwdisswordfish8 · 4 years ago
U+005C is REVERSE SOLIDUS, it always has been.
pwdisswordfish8 commented on Scripting languages of the future   jntrnr.com/scripting-lang... · Posted by u/slyall
bitwize · 4 years ago
So scripting languages of the future are pretty much programming languages. Stallman was right once again: https://vanderburg.org/old_pages/Tcl/war/0000.html
pwdisswordfish8 · 4 years ago
Surely you mean the programming languages of the future are scripting languages? Written the other way around doesn't make sense.
pwdisswordfish8 commented on Stockholm parents built their own school app, then the city called the cops   wired.co.uk/article/swede... · Posted by u/hakonbogen
drcongo · 4 years ago
Every edutech platform I've ever had to use (UK, with 3 kids going through school) is an abomination, the whole sector needs disrupting. My current nemesis is Iris Parentmail [0], a convoluted jumble of javascript that presents the user with a challenge - try to read the apparently important message the school has sent you before Parentmail crashes your browser. If the message is particularly long, then there's an end of level boss where you have to try to read the whole thing before the laptop gives you third degree burns. HNers, please, disrupt the hell out of this sector because it's nothing but chancers, consultants and chancer consultants.

[0] https://www.iris.co.uk/education/engagement-suite/iris-paren...

pwdisswordfish8 · 4 years ago
For anyone who's been burned by these:

Why aren't you equally as mad at the personnel at your child's school? It's one thing for a national or semi-national rollout of broken enterprise junk, it's another thing for your child's instructor to go along and demand that you use this broken system instead of providing reasonable affordances (e.g. low-tech, paper-based notices/forms that get sent home with your kid).

For that matter, how do your school systems handle the situation where no one in the household is able or willing to install the damn thing because e.g. you don't own an iOS or Android device, or you have no smartphone at all? Is there an actual legal requirement for you to contribute on an ongoing basis to the bottom-line of select tech companies like Apple and Google in order to participate in public life—as if it's on par with the necessity to pay for e.g. renewing your government-issued ID?

pwdisswordfish8 commented on Young people are leaving their jobs in record numbers and not going back   time.com/6111245/young-wo... · Posted by u/batmaniam
jimbob45 · 4 years ago
>It's far too easy to work 6 months, save 10k and then live the next 6 months in another country for cheap.

No one is realizing that. Saving 10k is unbelievably difficult unless you're making extremely good money to the point where it's out of reach for the majority of Americans. Most Americans can't even stomach a $500 emergency [0] so I don't know where you think these people can work such that they can have 10k set aside after six months.

Furthermore, the actual financial hit of living in another country for six months is incredibly difficult. Plane tickets, papers, storage (unless you don't want stuff when you come back), and taxes aren't just going to pay for themselves. Sure, if you make $200k, that's nothing, but the median household income in 2020 was ~$60k [1]. It often feels on HN that everyone has a $500k job except for me and on Reddit, it feels like everyone has a 15-inch dick except for me. The parent post makes me feel that same way.

"If you are sick of your job, quit" is terrible advice. You should quit your job if you are in a steady-enough financial situation to weather being unemployed for an extended period of time or if you have alternative employment lined up. Any other piece of advice is irresponsible to give to someone else.

[0]https://www.cbsnews.com/news/most-americans-cant-afford-a-50... [1]https://www.census.gov/library/publications/2021/demo/p60-27...

pwdisswordfish8 · 4 years ago
> Saving 10k is unbelievably difficult unless you're making extremely good money to the point where it's out of reach for the majority of Americans. Most Americans can't even stomach a $500 emergency [0] so I don't know where you think these people can work such that they can have 10k set aside after six months.

I have contradictory anecdata on this. Two modifications to your premises, though:

- I did it all in the US, in an "expensive" area (Austin)

- For me, it was closer to 7 months of saving, but it was also closer to a year off than half a year (between 10 and 11 months, rather than 6)

Some more facts behind these numbers:

- I went out to eat during this 10.5 + 7 month period about as frequently as (probably more than) a normal household in 1970 would have, which is to say not often but also a not number that is zero, and I also splurged on craft beer and (cheap) wine and convenient/tasty food and unhealthy snacks from the store often enough

- There was no inherited property or parents' money or someone else otherwise taking care of me or any other tricks up my sleeve involved here (all different types of safety nets that I just didn't not use but that don't exist, so I wouldn't have been able to use it even if I wanted to)

- I was single during this time (so no "other half" to subsidize expenses)

- I cancelled my car insurance a few months into lockdown and was at the disadvantage of doing all this with no car

- I rent, and I have roommates, but I cover my share (I'm usually subsidizing e.g. their utility usage)

Saving 10k was difficult, but I was also bleeding money for other reasons during this time of savings, so anyone not subject to the circumstances I was in should actually be able to fare better. I also wasn't making "extremely good money". The I-hate-my-job company I was at hires for some-college experience to do monotonous, stressful work at <$20/hr. That's less than $45k per year, which is greater than your individual contribution to your half of the gross national average, assuming a two-person household, but it's nowhere close to even being a six figure job, let alone $200k or $500k.

I agree with everything in your final paragraph.

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