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pwdisswordfish5 commented on TeaVM: Build Fast, Modern Web Apps in Java   teavm.org/... · Posted by u/homarp
pjmlp · 5 years ago
After being rescued by Oracle, after all no one else wanted to buy Sun, not even Google (hoping it would just sink most likely).

Java is as open source and still has multiple implementations available, even Microsoft is now a Java vendor (after having bought jClarity).

Basically you want free beer like Linux? Get a distribution from OpenJDK.

You want support Red-Hat/SuSE style? There is Oracle, and a plenty of other vendors happy to sell JDKs with support.

pwdisswordfish5 · 5 years ago
> Basically you want free beer like Linux? Get a distribution from OpenJDK.

After the Oracle lawsuit, why should people feel safe believing that Oracle will respect the terms of the license instead of trying to extract more money and subject you to a costly lawsuit?

pwdisswordfish5 commented on Access Control for GitHub Pages   github.blog/changelog/202... · Posted by u/jbredeche
pwdisswordfish5 · 5 years ago
> With an internal repository, everyone in your enterprise will be able to view the Page with the same credentials they use to login to github.com

Public service announcement: "login" is a noun; as a verb, you should write "log in". (Consider "knockout" vs. "knock out".) Another thing to watch out for: writing "setup" instead of "set up".

pwdisswordfish5 commented on Remembering Windows 3.1 themes and user empowerment   hisham.hm/2019/07/26/reme... · Posted by u/ingve
selfhoster11 · 5 years ago
Unpopular opinion: optimising for "branding" is what killed theming. Everyone wants to have their own custom colour theme, brand-associated font or button style, which clashes with uniformity of system controls.

If everyone renders buttons in a custom way, they bypass the native, theming-capable, accessible-by-default system controls. As long as product managers are happy, it doesn't matter that users aren't.

pwdisswordfish5 · 5 years ago
I thought this was obvious.
pwdisswordfish5 commented on Show HN: I did a little thing in V   github.com/profullstack/b... · Posted by u/chovybizzass
pwdisswordfish5 · 5 years ago
> You can see the running version at https://bitchin.net

> 502 Bad Gateway

Yeah, it’s written in V.

pwdisswordfish5 commented on Java on Truffle – Going Fully Metacircular   medium.com/graalvm/java-o... · Posted by u/Borkdude
sideeffffect · 5 years ago
> GPL doesn't permit commercial use

That is alarmingly false. Do you have a source that McNealy indeed has said that? I couldn't find anything by googling.

pwdisswordfish5 · 5 years ago
Scott McNealy, under direct examination on 2012 April 26: "you can't license GPL code and then resell it for a profit"

Source: Official Reporters for the US District Court for the Northern District of California (regarding Oracle v. Google, 3:10-cv-03561)

pwdisswordfish5 commented on Java on Truffle – Going Fully Metacircular   medium.com/graalvm/java-o... · Posted by u/Borkdude
kaba0 · 5 years ago
About your last paragraph, I did try to get as close to primary sources as possible, without digging into the actual briefs, and I am no lawyer, so my understanding on these topics have a shaky foundation.

But if you have done so, at least you as a presumably secondhand information source, could you give me a rebuttal on why am I wrong?

pwdisswordfish5 · 5 years ago
Just like your last message[1], the answer is "but why male models?" (in other words, I just answered that[2]; do you want me to repeat it[3] or something?)

1. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25847574

2. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25846415

3. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25848980

pwdisswordfish5 commented on Java on Truffle – Going Fully Metacircular   medium.com/graalvm/java-o... · Posted by u/Borkdude
kaba0 · 5 years ago
> No part of Oracle's suit against Google relied on the claim that "Java wasn't open-source at the time Google copied it"

It had a specific license explicitly disallowing mobile use. Everything else is irrelevant - google knowingly broke the license, didn’t they? This is copyright infringement. As for whether their copy of Java’s API at the time could constitute fair use and thus not subject to copyright law is up to debate and my personal opinion doesn’t matter on it.

pwdisswordfish5 · 5 years ago
This is a perplexing response. Oracle's case against Google is about copyright infringement. On that point, you are correct, but that's where your comments part from reality.

Oracle in its case against Google is not arguing that "Java wasn't open-source at the time Google copied it". Oracle in its case against Google is not arguing that there was "a specific license explicitly disallowing mobile use". You on the other hand are arguing these things. That's where the problem lies: you're asserting infringement based on two fact claims that don't even match what Oracle's legal team presented to the courts.

(For that reason, your remark that "Everything else is irrelevant" is just bizarre and ironic—it's your comments here that are irrelevant... _None_ of the things you're saying are what the case is actually about.)

Here are some simple questions: to what extent does your knowledge of Oracle v. Google originate from secondary analysis and commentary about the case vs. direct knowledge (e.g. the briefs and testimony provided by Oracle and those who testified)? Do you have any firsthand experience reviewing the material that was presented in/to the courts? This is the problem with Internet peanut galleries. The answer to the last question can be solid "no", and yet commenters are undeterred from spewing nonsense from their gut that has no basis in reality.

pwdisswordfish5 commented on Java on Truffle – Going Fully Metacircular   medium.com/graalvm/java-o... · Posted by u/Borkdude
kaba0 · 5 years ago
And there is no reason the spread FUD.

Oracle v. Google has nothing to do with it (Java’s licence at the time explicitly disallowed mobile usage) Do you have an examples that give rise to any sort of concern about the usage of GPL-licenced code (regardless of code owner)?

pwdisswordfish5 · 5 years ago
It's like we're not even having the same conversation. McNealy, founder of Sun, testified under oath that GPL doesn't permit commercial use. What was unclear about this the first time it was stated?
pwdisswordfish5 commented on Again on 0-based vs. 1-based indexing   hisham.hm/2021/01/18/agai... · Posted by u/Ivoah
thayne · 5 years ago
There are many situations where 1-based indexing is more natural. There are also many situations where 0-based indexing is more natural. And also many (possibly most?) situations, where it doesn't really matter.

My 2 cents: it isn't really that important. As long as the developer is aware of whether the language they are currently using 0 or 1 based indexing.

pwdisswordfish5 commented on Java on Truffle – Going Fully Metacircular   medium.com/graalvm/java-o... · Posted by u/Borkdude
kaba0 · 5 years ago
Java wasn’t open-source at the time Google copied it. In fact, the only thing that was prohibited by Sun’s license was mobile usage - they wanted to make money on Java with it. So Google should get sued to hell for blatantly copying it (and they are really bad at shepharding, just look at the state of android java vs openjdk)
pwdisswordfish5 · 5 years ago
This comment is playing fast and loose with the facts. No part of Oracle's suit against Google relied on the claim that "Java wasn't open-source at the time Google copied it" (for good reason).

> they are really bad at shepharding, just look at the state of android java vs openjdk

This has nothing to do with copyright law―the thing that Google was sued for. There is no legal argument in this remark (which is the problem with about half the comments that appear saying that Google was in the wrong), just an assertion based on an appeal to emotion that Google deserved to be sued, and then working backwards from there to present a half-formed argument.

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