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oldmanjay commented on The forces that drove this election’s media failure are likely to get worse   niemanlab.org/2016/11/the... · Posted by u/bootload
vermontdevil · 9 years ago
Huh? Im a Democrat and I always believed the Dems should focus on economic and social equality.

The GOP plays with identity issues (God, Guns, Flag, etc).

The Dems need to stay away from that and get back to the populist roots and focus on the working folk. That is what made the Dems a successful party in the past.

That's all.

oldmanjay · 9 years ago
Most of the very wealthy people I've met work very hard indeed, yet they are not considered to be "working folk". Why be antagonistic toward powerful people in the core jargon of the party plank? Would honesty of language, or perhaps even inclusiveness, work better than emotional resonance and tribalism?
oldmanjay commented on Peter Thiel To Join Trump Transition Team   linkedin.com/pulse/peter-... · Posted by u/codybrown
peterclary · 9 years ago
So we should all be tolerant of racism, sexism, outright sexual assualt ("grab 'em by the pussy") and boasting of same, mocking the disabled, stiffing contractors and suppliers?
oldmanjay · 9 years ago
No, you should be tolerant of people. You should also endeavor to note the distinction between saying something and doing something, because it's not even subtle and insisting it doesn't exist, for example by labeling a joke "sexual assault," does not convince reasonable people that you are on the level.
oldmanjay commented on Peter Thiel To Join Trump Transition Team   linkedin.com/pulse/peter-... · Posted by u/codybrown
anigbrowl · 9 years ago
I do.
oldmanjay · 9 years ago
Do you know because you know Thiel or do you know because you're a Jedi and you searched your feelings?
oldmanjay commented on The forces that drove this election’s media failure are likely to get worse   niemanlab.org/2016/11/the... · Posted by u/bootload
mikeash · 9 years ago
And the weird way we pick the winner. I've now voted in five presidential elections, and in two of them the winner did not have the most votes.

I'm shocked that's not getting more discussion this time around. I seem to recall that it was a huge complaint for ages after it happened in 2000.

oldmanjay · 9 years ago
It's a huge complaint when it confronts people who didn't learn how the system works in civics class, I guess, but it's been the way that presidential voting has worked since before we were all born, so the outcry is sort of annoying at best.

Also, as the only groups legally able to propose a change to this system are right now benefiting from it, I wouldn't hold my breath.

oldmanjay commented on The forces that drove this election’s media failure are likely to get worse   niemanlab.org/2016/11/the... · Posted by u/bootload
Naritai · 9 years ago
? OP calls out a specific motivation. The motivation of the subgroup references is very clear. It's you who is trying to expand that to a generalization.
oldmanjay · 9 years ago
OP et al assert a particular motivation of a general population, which is hardly not generalizing.
oldmanjay commented on Peter Thiel To Join Trump Transition Team   linkedin.com/pulse/peter-... · Posted by u/codybrown
tptacek · 9 years ago
No, it doesn't. You didn't even use the word "prejudice" properly.
oldmanjay · 9 years ago
Not that I'm expecting a response, but I'm curious; were you going to assert that it is impossible to be bigoted about a white male?
oldmanjay commented on I’m a Coastal Elite from the Midwest: The Real Bubble Is Rural America   rollcall.com/im-a-coastal... · Posted by u/kevlar1818
namecast · 9 years ago
That I did assume - but only because you misused virtue signaling twice in two sentences, which is a Trumpie tell. You might have just picked it up from Twitter?

Also, don't post an excised version of your flagged tweet and then expect me not to catch it. Nice try, troll. Here's your flag, I was game right up until you were intellectually dishonest and sloppy on top of it.

oldmanjay · 9 years ago
Hmm. This isn't twitter, and I quoted my entire post. What, exactly, are you on about?

Edit: ah wait I see, you think I'm trying to karma bump my sentiment, but to what end? It's parented under the flagged version of itself and I hardly care if I accumulate more internet points. I'm just trying to figure out why you think flogging your morals at me is worthwhile.

oldmanjay commented on I’m a Coastal Elite from the Midwest: The Real Bubble Is Rural America   rollcall.com/im-a-coastal... · Posted by u/kevlar1818
namecast · 9 years ago
My assumption was based on your words.

I think you're confused on the difference between love, compassion and compatriotism. I don't expect you to love me or anyone outside of your own circle, but if you were hoping to make america great again without compassion or compatriotism, I'll enjoy watching the attempt.

oldmanjay · 9 years ago
Ahh, now if I were a man who liked reading into things people say, I'd go with inferring that you believe I am a trump supporter. You are incorrect if that is the case.

Now, on to the point. I'm dead curious. Here are my words:

> Literally everything in my life is more important to me than any aspect of your mother

Where is the question implied in there? I endeavor to speak precisely, and I have heard it posited that it is incumbent upon the speaker to eliminate misunderstandings in the listener, so let's put it to the test. Demonstrate how that virtue signalling question you inferred from my words comes from my words and not solely your head.

oldmanjay commented on I’m a Coastal Elite from the Midwest: The Real Bubble Is Rural America   rollcall.com/im-a-coastal... · Posted by u/kevlar1818
namecast · 9 years ago
No, I actually want to figure out how to live side by side. This shit is terrifying. Please stop talking past me and imagining an enemy that doesn't exist.

(Also: I'm aware your post didn't ask the question. It was implicit... which is why I said implicitly. I do have the best vocabulary, tremendous vocab words folks. A lot of people are saying Trump voters have trouble with bigly words. Sad!)

oldmanjay · 9 years ago
My point is that you inferred a question that was not asked implicitly or otherwise, not that I needed a definition of implicit. I did not talk past you. I simply deny your arrogant assumption upon which you base your understanding of me.

Your terror is no more my responsibility than your putative mother's health. I don't consider you an enemy. In fact, I don't really consider you, because as a human being I have limited capacity for things like love and I save that capacity for the many people I actually know and deal with in my life.

oldmanjay commented on The forces that drove this election’s media failure are likely to get worse   niemanlab.org/2016/11/the... · Posted by u/bootload
jmcmichael · 9 years ago
How would you differentiate between your definition of identity politics, and recognizing the very real, factual discrepancy between how society treats white males and most of the rest of the population. Do you believe in white privilege, or do you consider it just another example of identity politics?

In other words, if I say 'The law enforcement and legal systems of the United States treat African Americans very differently than white Americans, and this needs to be changed.' - is that recognizing a problem that needs attention, or am I engaging in irrelevant, invalid 'identity politics'?

oldmanjay · 9 years ago
Okay, let's stipulate that the notion of "white privilege" is real. The shattered people who voted for Trump, who spend their lives being called "white trash" by "coastal elites," are clamoring for a share of that privilege. How do you address them?

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