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nativespecies commented on Charlie Kirk killed at event in Utah   nbcnews.com/news/us-news/... · Posted by u/david927
johnisgood · 3 months ago
> I wonder is she there because of her excellence, or is she there because of affirmative action?"

Unfortunately this is valid.

This question highlights a real problem with how affirmative action policies work in practice. When we have systems that explicitly consider race in hiring/admissions decisions, it inevitably creates this uncertainty and that is unfair to everyone.

The real issue is not individuals, it is that these policies create systematic doubt that hurts the very people they are meant to help. Maybe we need to rethink approaches that do not put qualified people in this impossible position where their achievements are automatically questioned.

Do you disagree?

nativespecies · 3 months ago
I don't disagree but this assumes he was having good faith arguments. Look at his comments in the broader context of his ideologies. You're cherry picking.

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hospes · 3 months ago
By all reasonable metrics Charlie Kirk was a moderate republican, just like half of the US. Calling everyone that is at your right on the political spectrum "fascist" is intellectually dishonest.
nativespecies · 3 months ago
Yeah... moderate. This is just a few of his "moderate" comments.

Racial comments targeting Black Americans

    Pilots and qualifications: In a January 2024 episode of his podcast, Kirk said, "If I see a Black pilot, I'm going to be like, 'Boy, I hope he's qualified'". The comment came during a segment criticizing DEI initiatives in the airline industry.

    Customer service: In a January 2024 podcast episode, Kirk remarked, "If I'm dealing with somebody in customer service who's a moronic Black woman, I wonder is she there because of her excellence, or is she there because of affirmative action?".

    "Prowling Blacks": In May 2023, Kirk claimed on his show that "prowling Blacks go around for fun to go target white people".

    "Brain processing power": Kirk claimed that prominent Black women like Michelle Obama and Supreme Court Justice Ketanji Brown Jackson "lacked the brain processing power" to understand complex topics, and only succeeded through affirmative action.

    George Floyd and Martin Luther King Jr.: He made disrespectful comments about Black leaders. During a 2021 speech, Kirk called George Floyd a "scumbag". In December 2023, he referred to Martin Luther King Jr. as "awful" and "not a good person".

    Civil Rights Act of 1964: Kirk repeatedly referred to the Civil Rights Act as a "huge mistake," calling it an "anti-white weapon". 
Other controversies involving racism

    White nationalist rhetoric: Kirk promoted the "Great Replacement" conspiracy theory, which alleges a plot to replace white Americans with nonwhite immigrants.

    Promotion of extremists: Turning Point USA (TPUSA), the conservative youth organization Kirk founded, has a history of attracting white nationalists and featuring speakers with extremist views. In 2022, the Anti-Defamation League (ADL) documented racist and homophobic incidents involving TPUSA members.

    Criticism from within conservative circles: In 2023, Kirk drew criticism from fellow conservatives, including Ben Domenech of The Federalist, over antisemitic remarks. Kirk later attempted to clarify his comments and was given a prime speaking slot at the 2024 Republican National Convention.

nativespecies commented on Charlie Kirk killed at event in Utah   nbcnews.com/news/us-news/... · Posted by u/david927
zahlman · 3 months ago
> political violence is a cornerstone of this country since day 1

Violence against... tea?

nativespecies · 3 months ago
Uh... do you know how/why this country was founded? Don't be obtuse.
nativespecies commented on Charlie Kirk killed at event in Utah   nbcnews.com/news/us-news/... · Posted by u/david927
gred · 3 months ago
So sad, he was more willing than most to hear and debate contrary viewpoints (the "prove me wrong" table).
nativespecies · 3 months ago
lmao you should watch these debates. he wasn't an "open minded" individual and lied in a pathological manner.

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beej71 · 3 months ago
I don't want to live in a place where people are killed for expressing opinions I consider highly offensive and damaging.
nativespecies · 3 months ago
You should move out of the US if you're here, since political violence is a cornerstone of this country since day 1. How people are acting like this is unique are really baffling to me.

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vik0 · 3 months ago
Am I wrong in thinking this guy isn't/wasn't a very influential person, outside of Twitter and the people that stay on there 24/7? If so, why even target the poor guy? What change was the person who shot him hoping to elicit? Either way, I hope he makes it, even though it looks like it was a fatal blow
nativespecies · 3 months ago
He's being martyred on purpose. I wonder what people both sides-ing it on HN would do in the 1940s....

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