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ly3xqhl8g9 commented on Room-Temperature Ambient-Pressure Superconductor LK-99 preprint revision 2   arxiv.org/abs/2307.12037... · Posted by u/lnyan
dang · 2 years ago
We detached this flamewar tangent from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36953091. Can you please not do this? Your post broke several of the site guidelines, including "Eschew flamebait. Avoid generic tangents."

If you'd please review https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and stick to the rules when posting here, we'd appreciate it.

ly3xqhl8g9 · 2 years ago
Not to worry. I will not comment anymore. Please delete my account.
ly3xqhl8g9 commented on Room-Temperature Ambient-Pressure Superconductor LK-99 preprint revision 2   arxiv.org/abs/2307.12037... · Posted by u/lnyan
GuB-42 · 2 years ago
Most Nobel winners get their prizes during their 60s-70s. It means that people who graduated in the 1970s are just starting to get their Nobels.

And the trend of aging winners continues as research become more complex and specialized and therefore requires more experience. The time between theory and the practical discovery (Nobel prizes are only for the latter) increase as experiments become more complex too. So much that it may become difficult for theorists to get a Nobel in their lifetime. That LK99 thing, if real, is more the exception than the rule.

ly3xqhl8g9 · 2 years ago
True. That's why we probably need another mechanism for incentivizing high-risk/high-reward/multi-decennial research. Perhaps, even if LK99 is not real, something interesting will mutate out of it: some kind of platform merging arXiv, Twitch, Patreon, making the researchers to be more transparent, more willing to share partial results, failures, and even be rewarded to fail. Some time ago had this "fail database" in mind, where one would upload all the data of the experiments that didn't work. I see there is a "FailCon" [1].

[1] http://thefailcon.com/about.html

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ly3xqhl8g9 commented on Room-Temperature Ambient-Pressure Superconductor LK-99 preprint revision 2   arxiv.org/abs/2307.12037... · Posted by u/lnyan
Daedren · 2 years ago
Your [2] source only mentions statistics since 2012. It's disingenuous to think this could spread down to 1901 if you wish to use the 1.8% as a point to argue.

Society was very different a hundred years ago. Women's access to education amongst other things has improved severely over time, and we do have seen an increase in female Nobel laureates compared to the earlier days.

It's a matter of time.

ly3xqhl8g9 · 2 years ago
Sure, it doesn't spread down to 1901, but the uptick started around 1970s [1].

Anyway, my main rant was about the inefficiency of giving awards to "lone geniuses", at most three, of expecting said "lone wolves" to exist in the first place, and then comes the discussion if the wolves are male or not. Unfortunately it got derailed into talking about pseudoscientific scalars such as IQ and sex binaries.

[1] "large scale changes began around the 1970s", https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women_in_STEM_fields

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ly3xqhl8g9 commented on Room-Temperature Ambient-Pressure Superconductor LK-99 preprint revision 2   arxiv.org/abs/2307.12037... · Posted by u/lnyan
ly3xqhl8g9 · 2 years ago
"In no case may a prize amount be divided between more than three persons." [1]

Sad state of affairs to expect a reward for brilliance and to have science bottlenecked by a merchant of death. Just the fact that the merchant of death gives "peace prizes" should have made the entire affair laughable a long time ago. Perhaps it's time to move on from this ancient and limited understanding of appraisal, awards.

I'm in no position to ever receive a Nobel prize, but I'm fairly certain I am moral enough to reject such a grandstanding award coming from such a troubled tradition. Yes, I just virtue-signalled calling immoral every recipient of the Nobel Prize, mostly out of sheer distaste for the ceremony, but also thinking of the terrible inefficiency which has plagued science and research in the last 122 years. How many discoveries were missed because following the course to unveil them was not "Nobel-worthy". How many scientists had their careers ruined for pursuing the Nobel award without being granted anything. Just the fact that only 1.8% of the Nobel Prize in Physics were awarded to women [2] shows the entire thing as the charade it is, no other context needed.

[1] https://www.nobelprize.org/frequently-asked-questions/#:~:te...

[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_female_Nobel_laureates

ly3xqhl8g9 commented on ASML EUV lithography machine could keep Moore’s Law on track   spectrum.ieee.org/high-na... · Posted by u/mfiguiere
Qwertious · 2 years ago
"Penny pusher rhetoric" is an interesting name for capitalism. Because, for better or worse, that is what's being described. You're not wrong though.
ly3xqhl8g9 · 2 years ago
Interestingly enough, penny pushing also destroys capitalism, see The Man Who Broke Capitalism: How Jack Welch Gutted the Heartland and Crushed the Soul of Corporate America―and How to Undo His Legacy [1].

[1] https://www.simonandschuster.com/books/The-Man-Who-Broke-Cap...

ly3xqhl8g9 commented on LK-99: The live online race for a room-temperature superconductor   forums.spacebattles.com/t... · Posted by u/fofoz
ly3xqhl8g9 · 2 years ago
Regardless if LK-99 is truly a Room-Temperature Superconductor or not, only 112 years passed since Heike Kamerlingh Onnes discovered superconductivity on April 8, 1911, 4 PM [1] [2]: resistance not futile, but "practically zero". The first loaf of sliced bread was sold commercially on July 7, 1928 [3]. The rate of progress is astonishing.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heike_Kamerlingh_Onnes#Superco...

[2] 2010, "The discovery of superconductivity", https://www.ilorentz.org/history/cold/DelftKes_HKO_PT.pdf

[3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Otto_Frederick_Rohwedder

ly3xqhl8g9 commented on ASML EUV lithography machine could keep Moore’s Law on track   spectrum.ieee.org/high-na... · Posted by u/mfiguiere
cubefox · 2 years ago
There is no use in making chips that are not cost effective.
ly3xqhl8g9 · 2 years ago
There is no use in synthesizing (C6H6O·CH2O)n [1] (or LK-99, to be actual, real or not) that is not cost effective.

It's precisely this penny pusher rhetoric which in the end will make China win, deservedly so.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bakelite

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