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iguy commented on The Viking Invasion of Leicestershire (2012)   thiswasleicestershire.co.... · Posted by u/zeristor
JoeAltmaier · 5 years ago
Interesting choice - those two societies also have 1000 years of respect for nobility? It seems to be a strong factor then.
iguy · 5 years ago
I don't know about respect. The data is on persistence of status. They can do this in many countries, those are just two I remember (besides England).

Direct records of ancestry are too scattered to piece together long timescales. What he (and collaborators) do is to find very rare surnames, in records at some distant time (e.g. Oxford graduation in 1600, high-status, or common criminals executed then, low-status) and then trace look for the same name in later data (e.g. Victorian wills, or today's tax data). Rare names give you a fairly targeted marker. One which the carriers are often unaware of.

iguy commented on The Viking Invasion of Leicestershire (2012)   thiswasleicestershire.co.... · Posted by u/zeristor
hguant · 5 years ago
>apparently there were female viking warriors

This is a MUCH more controversial idea than pop-history would have you believe. There have been Viking women found buried with weapons and armour; however, there are also men who weren't warriors found buried with arms and armour as well. Scholarship on the matter isn't really sure if the women found buried that way were warriors being honored as such, or rich/wealthy/politically powerful people who were buried in the trappings of a martial society. Also, the extrapolation of "a shockingly small number of women were buried with swords" to "the Vikings had gender equality and badass warrior women in every port" is great Netflix fodder, but not really backed up anywhere else.

>Never mind of course that vikings weren't big on "consent" or that they're darlings of far right groups.

Vikings also literally had a slave based economy; the only thing that got the various Anglo-Saxon kingdoms to unite was "hey, we don't want to be slaves/the main event of excruciatingly brutal human sacrifices."

>compared to those awful Anglo-Saxon Christians

Interestingly enough, almost all the Vikings converted peacefully to Christianity within a decade or two of settling in Britan.

iguy · 5 years ago
Yes. The political point being made with this history is different too, it's one of pride, not shame. It's "Our great ancestors were nice social democrats, too! Unlike your cold-war army, grandpa, they let woman have front-line jobs!"

Compare: "Those evil germanics who sailed up the Volga and subjugated our ancestors, you know how much silver they took home? And you've seen how wealthy Copenhagen is now? My buddy Igor ran the numbers, and compound interest explains it all!". That's not a speech which will improve your political career in Russia.

iguy commented on The Viking Invasion of Leicestershire (2012)   thiswasleicestershire.co.... · Posted by u/zeristor
wavefunction · 5 years ago
Slavery was pretty widespread in Europe until the late Middle Ages, including Christians enslaving other Christians and selling them to slave traders. 10% of the census population of the Domesday Book were slaves, not serfs. This changed when a pope (I can't remember his name off the top of my head) was concerned that Christian slaves owned by Jewish and Muslim slave-owners would convert to their masters' religions. That was just a prohibition against enslaving fellow Christians and selling slaves to Jewish and Muslim slave-traders though.
iguy · 5 years ago
Yes to slavery being widespread in Europe of the dark ages. The church had something to do with its demise but I'm not sure it's one papal edict. Economics too.

But if "late Middle Ages" means say the time of the black death, and after, then at least in Western Europe that's much too late. By then slavery in England is long gone (or so rare as not to matter) and serfdom is in steep decline, and we are still several centuries away from European overseas slavery (no sugar islands before Columbus!)

Slavery in the islamic world was (I think) pretty continuous from the beginning until the 20th C. (Perhaps with ups and downs? There were many violent changes of leadership, over the centuries.) In the middle ages this would have been the primary meaning of slavery to Europeans -- the risk of being caught in some coastal raid and sold for labor (or for ransom, if noble). This no doubt horrified the pope but he had little power to stop this.

iguy commented on The Viking Invasion of Leicestershire (2012)   thiswasleicestershire.co.... · Posted by u/zeristor
JoeAltmaier · 5 years ago
Be honest, that's in a culture that holds the Nobility as a different kind of human being above everyone else. This worshipful attitude is a huge factor, not just economics.

And not all the rich, stay rich. That's a mainstay for every British comedy ever. But the ones who do stay rich, are very often those that are held in higher regard than the 'common folk'.

iguy · 5 years ago
Clark finds this pattern in most societies, IIRC Sweden and China have (in his data) almost identical rates of status persistence. It's not a quirk of English manners.

What varies more is the degree to which ordinary people today descend from the nobility in (say) 1100. In some societies they had many more surviving children than average, e.g. it's easy for them to double every generation, within a basically static total population, implying that their offspring make up a high proportion of people after a few centuries. But in other societies, they did not.

His books are pretty readable, BTW, interesting data.

iguy commented on The Viking Invasion of Leicestershire (2012)   thiswasleicestershire.co.... · Posted by u/zeristor
peteretep · 5 years ago
Is it just the length of time that's passed that makes Vikings cool and the British Empire terrible?
iguy · 5 years ago
They also aren't a useful rhetorical foil for any present-day arguments. In none of their former territory can you make political hay by deflecting present-day problems onto those particular earlier rulers. That's related to time, of course, but also very much related to what else has happened since, or has failed to happen.
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boh · 5 years ago
Foucault, Satre, Derrida, Barthes literally went on record supporting sexual relations with children (see link below). The idea that something can be so valuable (like art) that it's worth the ethical costs elicited by their purveyors is ridiculous. Ethical behavior doesn't counter creativity (neither should the opposite be true).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_petition_against_age_of...

iguy · 5 years ago
I'm not sure that the value of the art was the supposed justification. Not an expert, but I thought they were just arguing for freedom, that children ought to be free to consent to things, not just that great artists deserved a break.

The ongoing Duhamel scandal makes it sound like there was quite a lot going on, in certain elite circles, everyone knew and nobody talked:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/feb/10/france-begins-...

iguy commented on Covid-19: World's first human trials given green light in UK   bbc.co.uk/news/health-560... · Posted by u/BellLabradors
m12k · 5 years ago
I'm hoping this can answer some questions regarding how covid infection works. For example, are you less likely to have severe illness if the infection starts somewhere other than the lungs? How does the infection spread in the body, and is there any way to help prevent the neurological infection and cognitive side effects that have been reported? (loss of smell, loss of balance, reduced cognition and memory).

If there's a way to consistently cause an infection that doesn't come with severe primary or secondary effects (cytokine storm in the lungs or organ/nerve damage) could that be used as a way to inoculate the younger part of the population while vaccine supplies are still scarce?

iguy · 5 years ago
And, does the severity of your case depend strongly on your dose?

This could have been extremely interesting early on. If it turned out that (say) severe cases in young people required a huge does, then it might have been possible to "vaccinate" everyone under 40 by only-just infecting them.

iguy commented on Covid-19: World's first human trials given green light in UK   bbc.co.uk/news/health-560... · Posted by u/BellLabradors
mchusma · 5 years ago
I was a huge proponent of challenge studies in April-September 2020.

Now I don't really see the point except to build some sort of institutional process to try and make them more feasible in the next pandemic.

Moderna's vaccine was developed in Jan 2020 and in human trials in March 2020. Most of this death could have been avoided if we only could figure out how to un-ban vaccines faster. We need new approaches.

COVID was a regulatory disaster more than a biological one. Incorporating human challenge trials into the mix of things is a good thing.

iguy · 5 years ago
Yes I mostly agree, it does set a good precedent, even if all it now gives us is "normal science" data.

Would like to understand better how much of the time was needed to ramp up production. My assumption was that Moderna & co. were working on that full speed, and once they'd made enough for the trials, stockpiled every dose they could make until approval.

If they'd had today's production rate in (say) April, I think we'd still have got all the deaths of the first wave. Unless, perhaps, knowing that vaccination was only a few months out would have allowed a much stronger lockdown, but I doubt it.

iguy commented on Covid-19: World's first human trials given green light in UK   bbc.co.uk/news/health-560... · Posted by u/BellLabradors
iguy · 5 years ago
Title should (IMO) contain "human challenge". Most vaccine trials have involved humans, but none have involved deliberate exposure, i.e. "challenge".

Seems crazy this took so long. Why didn't this happen last summer?

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PartiallyTyped · 5 years ago
I would like to point towards urban dictionary and different definitions of literally [1] that I found quite amusing, please excuse the language.

> a word with no meaning in today's USA. Person 1: I am literally going to have a stroke if I see another tweet about fake news. Person 2: Are you really? Should I call 911?

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> Who fucking knows anymore? First, it meant factual, and now it means fictional. What the fuck, internet... what the fuck?

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> a much misused adverb, often for emphasis

> "I literally died of embarrassment."

> "Really? How was reincarnation, you fucking illiterate dipshit?"

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> A good way to show that you are a total drama queen twit is to use the term 'literally' to describe every mundane thing that you do in life

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All of this begs the question, when does a definition of a word change? I suppose it happens when we collectively agree on it, or perhaps when a large enough segment of the population agrees. Perhaps at this point, literally can mean figuratively if we consider the misuse, in the same way we accept irregardless and regardless as being one and the same. But I suppose then a new word would be necessary to literally mean literally and avoid confusion.

[1] https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Literally

iguy · 5 years ago
"begs the question" is another phrase whose meaning is now in the uncertain zone, by the same process.

u/iguy

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