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humanizersequel commented on OpenAI and Nvidia announce partnership to deploy 10GW of Nvidia systems   openai.com/index/openai-n... · Posted by u/meetpateltech
mgh95 · 3 months ago
Currently, selling LLM inference is a red queen race: the moment you release a model, others begin distilling and attempting to sell your model cheaper, avoiding the expensive capitalized costs associated with R&D. This can occur because the LLM market is fundamentally -- at best -- minimally differentiated; consumers are willing to switch between vendors ("big labs", as you call them, but they aren't really research labs) to whomever offers the best model at the lowest price. This is emphasized by the distributors of many LLMs, developer tools, offering ways to switch the LLM at runtime (see https://www.jetbrains.com/help/ai-assistant/use-custom-model... or https://code.visualstudio.com/docs/copilot/customization/lan... for an example of this). The distributors of LLMs actively working against LLM providers margin provides an exceptionally strong headwind.

This market dynamic begets a low margin race to the bottom, where no party appears able to secure the highly attractive (think the >70% service margin we see in typical tech) unit economics typical of tech.

Inference is a very tough business. It is my opinion (and likely the opinion of many others) that the margins will not sustain a typical "tech" business without continual investment to attempt to develop increasingly complex and expensive models, which itself is unprofitable.

humanizersequel · 3 months ago
I don't disagree but you're moving the goalposts. I never said that they could achieve the profits of a typical tech business, just that they could be profitable. Also, the whole distilling problem doesn't happen if the model is proprietary.
humanizersequel commented on OpenAI and Nvidia announce partnership to deploy 10GW of Nvidia systems   openai.com/index/openai-n... · Posted by u/meetpateltech
mgh95 · 3 months ago
Revenue != profit, and you don't need to become net negative margin to be net unprofitable. Expensive researchers, expensive engineers, expensive capex, etc.

Inference has extremely different unit economics from a typical SaaS like Salesforce or adtech like google or facebook.

humanizersequel · 3 months ago
All of those expenses could be trimmed in a scenario where OpenAI or other big labs pivot to focus primarily on profitability via selling inference.
humanizersequel commented on OpenAI and Nvidia announce partnership to deploy 10GW of Nvidia systems   openai.com/index/openai-n... · Posted by u/meetpateltech
mgh95 · 3 months ago
What revenues do these GPUs generate for OpenAI? OpenAI is not currently profitable, and it is unclear if its business model will ever becomes profitable -- let alone profitable enough to justify this investment. Currently, this only works because the markets are willing to lend and let NVIDIA issue stock to cover the costs to manufacture the GPUs.

That's where the belief that we are in a bubble comes from.

humanizersequel · 3 months ago
They're doing about a billion per month in revenue by running proprietary models on GPUs like these. Unless they're selling inference with zero/negative margin, it seems like a business model that could be made profitable very easily.
humanizersequel commented on Ethereum Pectra upgrade: what's coming   gionn.net/2025/ethereum-p... · Posted by u/gionn
humanizersequel · 7 months ago
Crazy that this (random blog post with no points and zero comments) is the only discussion of a major Ethereum upgrade on here. Even if the average commenter is firmly against blockchains this is still a very interesting and impressive feat.
humanizersequel commented on How to succeed in MrBeast production (Leaked PDF)   simonwillison.net/2024/Se... · Posted by u/babelfish
darby_nine · a year ago
> You may not find it appealing, but the truth is that most major successes are driven by obsession.

Great, don't force it on your employees. I am not working for you for anything other than a paycheck and flexible working conditions and stimulating work.

humanizersequel · a year ago
Nobody is forcing you to work for Mr Beast
humanizersequel commented on Coinbase tells judge that buying crypto is just like collecting Beanie Babies   markets.businessinsider.c... · Posted by u/rmason
alchemist1e9 · 2 years ago
I suspect that is completely false at this point but somebody else hopefully can provide some evidence.
humanizersequel · 2 years ago
Not only is Western Union significantly less reliable and significantly more expensive, as someone who gets paid in crypto the most expensive and painful parts of my finances are those that touch the traditional banking system at all.
humanizersequel commented on Rolex fined $100M for preventing its watches being sold online   usa.watchpro.com/rolex-fi... · Posted by u/sparkling
treyd · 2 years ago
You don't need NFTs to do this though, you can just use signed commitments stored in some public log.
humanizersequel · 2 years ago
Yeah, doesn't even make sense for something like this to be decentralized, it should be run by Rolex so they can catch edge cases and correct them by fiat
humanizersequel commented on SEC charges Kraken for operating as an unregistered securities exchange   sec.gov/news/press-releas... · Posted by u/kklisura
ac29 · 2 years ago
> At some point someone has to explain to you what law you broke and how you broke it

The link at the top of this page is 90 pages of the SEC telling Kraken what rules and regulations they have broken. It is certainly possible the court will disagree with the SEC, but I wouldnt bet on it.

humanizersequel · 2 years ago
>It is certainly possible the court will disagree with the SEC, but I wouldnt bet on it.

I would (not a lot, but I would). They lost on the Grayscale trust, they lost on XRP being a security (extremely relevant here), they're seemingly settling with Binance... the court has been disagreeing with the SEC a whole lot on the matter of blockchain regulation lately.

humanizersequel commented on Vocal fry register   en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voc... · Posted by u/Schiphol
lucas_codes · 2 years ago
Are we talking about the same thing? I mean the Mongolian throat signing in that YouTube link, which has crazy low fundamentals (I have a deep bass voice and it's much lower than I can sing).
humanizersequel · 2 years ago
No, you aren't, and it isn't vocal fry. Overtone singing is a distinct technique in Tuvan throat singing, and comparing it to a bandpass filter is accurate — as a whole, Tuvan throat singing is a set of techniques designed to induce vocal sounds with extremely rich harmonics, which can then be modulated and selected for by shaping the mouth.

What you're thinking of is called "Kargyraa", a particular subset of Tuvan techniques that involves singing with the vocal cords as normal, but also tightening the voicebox such that your "false vocal cords" (some flaps somewhere in your throat) are struck at a frequency an octave below the sung note — for every full cycle your vocal cords complete, the false vocal cords complete half of 1. It creates a rich sound which can be useful for the "bandpass" technique, but is fundamentally something different.

Take this with a small grain of salt, I came to this technique through the modern beatboxing community who independently discovered it as the standard "throat bass" and only bothered researching the Tuvan equivalent a long time ago.

There is a bass singing technique called "subharmonics" that uses something similar (identical?) to vocal fry to create interference with a sung note for a similar effect.

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