cocoricamo (u/cocoricamo)

cocoricamo commented on Subscriptions and external links help drive users to extremist YouTube channels science.org/doi/10.1126/s... · Posted by u/pseudotrash

a_shovel · 2 years ago

I've seen a lot of people say the SPLC is a total sham, but I haven't seen anyone explain why or give examples, and in my experience they've been reliable.

cocoricamo · 2 years ago

Easiest example is defending antifa as just "wrongheaded" for using violence and attempting to suppress free speech and not a hate group while easily listing any other organization that opposes their political views as hate groups.

If you're claiming to fight extremism you should also fight extremists that support your political views.

cocoricamo commented on Subscriptions and external links help drive users to extremist YouTube channels science.org/doi/10.1126/s... · Posted by u/pseudotrash

aarond0623 · 2 years ago

> who got to decide what is extremist or as the study also put it "alternative"?

That's explained in the paper:

> Our list of extremist channels consists of those labeled as white identitarian by Ledwich and Zaitsev (26) (30 channels), white supremacist by Charles (45) (23 channels), alt-right by Ribeiro et al. (24) (37 channels), extremist or hateful by the Center on Extremism at the Anti-Defamation League (16 channels), and those compiled by journalist Aaron Sankin from lists curated by the Southern Poverty Law Center, the Canadian Anti-Hate Network, the Counter Extremism Project, and the white supremacist website Stormfront (157 channels) (46).

cocoricamo · 2 years ago

Would be nice to be able to review the actual lists that they used.

cocoricamo commented on Subscriptions and external links help drive users to extremist YouTube channels science.org/doi/10.1126/s... · Posted by u/pseudotrash

cocoricamo · 2 years ago

Looks to me that right from the start the study has a fatal flaw and it's clearly biased.

Just looking at their channel selection is clear that they consider extremist only some forms extremism. Particularly those often considered as aligned with right wing politics.

From the Ledwich and Zaitsev paper they reference only the "white identitarian", "anti-sjw" and "men rights activism" categories are selected. But there are more categories that could be considered extremist at a glance like "revolutionary" and "anti-whiteness".

Other categories in Ledwich and Zaitsev's paper: Conspiracy, Libertarian, Anti-SJW, Social Justice, White Identitarian, Partisan Left, Partisan Right, Anti-theist, Religious Conservative, Socialist (Anti-Capitalist), Revolutionary, Provocateur, MRA (Mens Rights Activist), Missing Link Media, State Funded Channels, Anti-Whiteness. Some channels in other categories could be considered extremist but would require a nuanced analysis.

About the other lists or what actual channels they looked into I can't really say because I can't seem to find the actual list they used. If someone has the full list and categories they used please link it.

While it could be possible to analyze the behavior of extremism using only right leaning extremism, it is possible that this pattern does not apply to other forms or ideologies.

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mc32 · 3 years ago

I don't disagree --but I don't want to overreach. It's bad enough kids are graduating not knowing the perils of compound interest. Yes, it would definitely be better if we started earlier, but let's go for the easier goal first.

cocoricamo · 3 years ago

Younger kids could yield better results since they tend to take interest in adult stuff and will likely pay more attention than a teenager.

cocoricamo commented on It Ruined Everything’: Buy Now, Pay Later Drives Gen Z into Debt bloomberg.com/news/articl... · Posted by u/thesecretceo

noobermin · 3 years ago

Why do you need to victim blame? You wouldn't victim blame in worse situations like murder or rape (he was murdered because he didn't teach himself self defense, or she was raped because she wore provocative clothing) so why victim blame here? Reserving some critique for the perpetrator is generalizable to more benign crimes too, and it's only fair.

cocoricamo · 3 years ago

Main difference is that offering financing tools is not a crime, raping and murdering is. It's an apples to elephants comparison.

They're not victims. They knew the risks and decided to venture.

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valyagolev · 3 years ago

would be amazing to have a suggestion like "looks like whatever you're writing has already been written in this workspace"

cocoricamo · 3 years ago

> ...I can't take it anymore, the guilt is eating me. I've had an affair with your wife...

[looks like whatever you're writing has already been written in this workspace]

cocoricamo commented on Twitter, when the wall came down dtrace.org/blogs/bmc/2022... · Posted by u/greyface-

gizmo385 · 3 years ago

> Even though it might look reckless, it is clear that much of these staff wasn’t on critical path for running day to day operations. So, Twitter will keep running smoothly on infrastructure side

Is it clear though? There is a lot more to running Twitter than just keeping the servers online. If the site turns into a cesspool and becomes unpleasant to be on, users will flee in droves.

cocoricamo · 3 years ago

> If the site turns into a cesspool and becomes unpleasant to be on,

That's already the case.

cocoricamo commented on Twitter, when the wall came down dtrace.org/blogs/bmc/2022... · Posted by u/greyface-

sytelus · 3 years ago

These reactionary posts fail to do rational calculations. Letting go half of the staff exactly enabled $1B in debt servicing. Even though it might look reckless, it is clear that much of these staff wasn’t on critical path for running day to day operations. So, Twitter will keep running smoothly on infrastructure side. There is NO viable competition that exists for Twitter in same format. People creating Mastodon accounts quickly find out that it is unworkable at scale. I would expect $8/mo subscription getting picked up by most upper class/professionals as they open up more features to get your posts noticed. Currently, Twitter is mainly a website for top 1% to disseminate their message and it will slowly transform into top 5% decimate their message. Eventually this is win-win and erase out $4M/day losses. The thing I worry about is generating returns on Saudi+VC+bank investments which seems not much as user base and ad revenue have failed to grow despite efforts by multiple CEOs. There was a joke that it might be easier to make peace in Middle East than significantly grow Twitter profits. If Musk can pull that off, he will be business legend. Most likely he won’t but he can take it back to public when market swings high in 2-3 years where he can show turnaround from loss to little bit of profits and generate respectable returns for his investors through our 401k funded public markets.

cocoricamo · 3 years ago

Do you mean disseminate? you wrote "decimate their message"

cocoricamo commented on Twitter, when the wall came down dtrace.org/blogs/bmc/2022... · Posted by u/greyface-

yongjik · 3 years ago

If a few days is enough time for a new leader to decide half of the workforce is redundant, then it's enough time for others to decide the leader is an idiot. You can't have it both ways.

cocoricamo · 3 years ago

From an article published last month seems that with or without Elon a lot of people were still getting fired.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2022/10/20/musk-tw...

Twitter as a public company was a money pit. Now is Elon's money pit.

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moshin · 3 years ago

you forgot to include Bush.

cocoricamo · 3 years ago

Too many people to list.

Although I'd say the tag kind of fits, but Bush is in another category. All the people I mentioned had in common the persecution, imprisonment and execution of their own people at a massive level and maintained power by force. Bush went after other countries and was voted out in the end.