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azhu commented on The data are clear: The boys are not all right   washingtonpost.com/opinio... · Posted by u/paulpauper
scarmig · 4 years ago
I'm a highly emotionally-available, bellydancing bi guy who's dated both men and women, so I have a reasonable comparison point. Men are far, far more open-minded about the gender roles their partners inhabit than women are. It's not even close.
azhu · 4 years ago
If that's your experience then that's your experience. Mine is different. I validate your experience, and see it as true. I do the same for my own.
azhu commented on The data are clear: The boys are not all right   washingtonpost.com/opinio... · Posted by u/paulpauper
ordinaryradical · 4 years ago
This is either pitch perfect parody or a truly wild lack of self-awareness. I actually need the /s tag here.

Because replying with the precise tropes of toxic masculinity as a solution to… the problems caused by toxic masculinity, whew.

azhu · 4 years ago
It appears that you're defining masculinity in and of itself as toxic. Masculine and feminine function as yin and yang, as dualistic complements. The masculine is simply structure, force, or closure. The feminine is flow, softness, and openness. Each human moves with a balance of both.

What's toxic is when the masculine is out of balance with the feminine. When structure, force, and closure crowd things out because there is not enough flow, softness, and openness. Simply making a decision and acting on it is not in and of itself toxic. It's the inability to adjust later that is toxic.

azhu commented on The data are clear: The boys are not all right   washingtonpost.com/opinio... · Posted by u/paulpauper
scarmig · 4 years ago
"Taking personal responsibility" is always an option, and it's usually the best option in terms of maximizing personal wellbeing.

At the same time, it's important to recognize the social forces that constrain different groups and limit the power that personal agency can exert over outcomes. The masculine gender role is extremely narrow, and if you deviate much from it, society will punish you: so-called "personal responsibility" plays the role of telling men to shut up and fit their role. As a man seeking a female partner, if I want to be a homemaker who teaches belly dance part time, I'm going to be in for a really hard time, no matter how much personal agency I embrace.

That also ignores the shittiness that even people who do manage to fit neatly into the masculine gender role still have to experience.

It's worth calling out these things in the hopes of driving social change, and it's something both men and women must participate in if we want to see a change.

azhu · 4 years ago
> The masculine gender role is extremely narrow, and if you deviate much from it, society will punish you.

> As a man seeking a female partner, if I want to be a homemaker who teaches belly dance part time, I'm going to be in for a really hard time, no matter how much personal agency I embrace.

If you say so, it will be so. If you write this code, you should not be surprised when running it achieves the programmed result. Whether you believe me or not, your statements are false. I spent time thinking this way, I suffered immensely, I put in deep effort to explore a larger perspective, and I am now greatly enjoying how incomplete was the field I saw before.

Women don't all want a provider. The trust of many has been damaged beyond that. They provide for themselves now (lots of men actually say we want that). What else can a man offer? Emotional support. The ability to make her feel like a fucking goddess. Being a homemaking belly dancer more aligns with that than doesn't.

You are right that women must participate too. They already are. It's men's attitudes that need to catch up.

azhu commented on The data are clear: The boys are not all right   washingtonpost.com/opinio... · Posted by u/paulpauper
8f2ab37a-ed6c · 4 years ago
I don't see how we'll be able to make people care about this issue at the current zenith of The Future Is Female zeitgeist in the West.

Given the current cultural and moral fashions, I can't think of many things that would be harder to empathize with than the laments of straight working-age men. There are so many more groups that are higher on the oppression totem pole that there's no way anybody will ever make it far enough down to care about boys.

People have been sounding those alarms for years to perfectly deaf ears, and there's nothing in the current culture that would indicate that we are ready to start listening anytime soon. Nobody cares, and help is not coming.

azhu · 4 years ago
I feel you bro. I've felt that same way and I have empathy. You have solid points and a valid perspective. You could also really use an attitude adjustment.

We're here as a society because of mishandled social responsibility. Women have only started to take up their own personal care because they can't rely on established conventions any more.

We as individuals likely have not done much, if anything, to contribute to this social circumstance. Just like women as individuals have not done much, if anything, to contribute to it. It is none of our faults. Yet they are taking personal responsibility for their wellbeing in this situation anyways. They are "manning up".

Men on the other hand... are we just sitting around crying with our thumbs up our asses? Yes. Yes we are. That shit is weak. That perspective on the situation is what's hard to empathize with, not the situation itself. Change your attitude, take personal responsibility, and bask as love and empathy showers onto you.

We can do better than looking to others to solve our problems for us. It just takes seeing an example of how. They are in short order, but they exist if you dig hard enough. I encourage any men who resonate with this to dig deeper. There is sweet sweet fruit to be had if you do. And tons of pussy.

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azhu commented on Meditation and the Unconscious   thereader.mitpress.mit.ed... · Posted by u/solvent
throw1234651234 · 4 years ago
Context? I have no idea what this quote is trying to say.
azhu · 4 years ago
To become conscious of all things a person must look for that which they are unconscious of rather than focusing purely on that which they are already conscious of. Most people prefer to see themselves as competent, but to be a master one must always see oneself as a beginner.
azhu commented on Ask HN: Is it just me or do 99% of SWE jobs offers seem completely pointless?    · Posted by u/throwawaynay
wahnfrieden · 4 years ago
This is a neoliberal take. Consider the deeper roots may be part of the system you’re absolving of responsibility, whether out of your own optimism or realism
azhu · 4 years ago
+1. Personal roots always lead to the environment around a person. How someone responds plays a role in the result, but that absolutely should not obscure the fact that the circumstances are an enormous factor.
azhu commented on Ask HN: Is it just me or do 99% of SWE jobs offers seem completely pointless?    · Posted by u/throwawaynay
azhu · 4 years ago
It's not just you. I feel this way too. My personal values don't align with those of the industry. Plenty of people feel this way. Lots of them make a career change.

Find what motivates you in life and build your life around that. Capitalistic industry is fundamentally about profit. If not monetary then power and prestige.

The general mood matches yours. Lots of people are feeling apathy. Prioritizing of profit over people creates dehumanizing social institutions and drives mental health issues. It's really simple and obvious.

People who are too caught up in the glitter of shiny coins can't see the writing on the wall. Either we as a whole are headed for a big change or those who feel that way are headed for a big change in how they relate to the overall whole. Likely both.

azhu commented on Ask HN: Why is everything changing too fast?    · Posted by u/dmje
billylo · 4 years ago
Technology, no doubt, can do amazing things. Google Maps can tell me when my next bus will arrive so I don’t have to brave the -10C weather. It’s like magic.

However, there is ONE important side effect that I have not noticed until now.

Most technologists crave speed. Faster processors, faster disk drives, faster networks, faster everything. Bottlenecks are our common enemy. YES. They are evil. I can relate to it because I spent a good amount of time in my career fixing performance problems for financial systems.

No one likes to wait for the computer to respond.

Unfortunately, this craving for speed (in technology) has quietly bled into other aspects of our living. People learn to speed read to gain more knowledge faster. People speed walk regularly (yes, I can also feel it in Hong Kong’s subway stations.) And the most crazy thing is: we don’t realize it until our body cannot cope with the demands of our speedoholic minds.

I watched this Carl Honore’s talk from 2005 (http://www.ted.com/talks/carl_honore_praises_slowness). 10 years later, it’s hard to believe that many of us (including myself) still get caught up in thinking “Slow is bad.” But no, there is such thing as “Good slow.”

You need to be patient in building a relationship; you need to have a clear mind in thinking strategically; and you need to be willing to spend time making mistakes in order to invent something useful.

So, please don’t let us, technologists, news or media slloowwlllyyy turn you into a speedoholic.

azhu · 4 years ago
Heavily agreed. Our psychologies are becoming unrooted from our bodies' physical needs. Years of evolving towards the mental stimulation we seek these days is detaching us from our bodily sensations, and often we can't feel the bodily consequences of our choices until a complex chronic health problem arises. We're burning ourselves out on a global scale.
azhu commented on Why HN is the way it is, and why we hope it will stay that way   news.ycombinator.com/item... · Posted by u/jacquesm
azhu · 4 years ago
It is indeed a difficult balance to strike between keeping things cohesive and keeping them from becoming an echo chamber.

There is something to be said for allowing "flamebait". What's flame to one may be a welcome splash of water for another. Matter of fact, it might be that people who espouse so much "flame" may have legitimate issues fueling that flame.

There is absolutely also something to be said for wrangling conversation so as to keep it constructive. It's the balance of the two that achieves a community that remains healthy over time and not just healthy according to the popular values of any given time.

u/azhu

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