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_b8r0 commented on The Amiga 1000 Parceiro amigalove.com/viewtopic.p... · Posted by u/jdkee

_b8r0 · 5 years ago

Blake Patterson has a beautiful tribute to No Man's Sky[1] done on an Amiga 1000 if anyone wants to see one in action. I really love his more recent Amiga retrospective[2] and he has a great Amiga 1000 photo album[3] too.

[1] - https://bytecellar.com/2018/03/14/a-planetary-anachronism-no...

[2] - https://bytecellar.com/2020/10/27/looking-back-on-35-years-a...

[3] - https://www.flickr.com/photos/blakespot/albums/7215762159627...

_b8r0 commented on Ask HN: Oldest piece of hardware a user could access the internet with? · Posted by u/throwitaway1235

jbjbjbjb · 5 years ago

How come you use your Amiga regularly? Is there something specific you use it for?

_b8r0 · 5 years ago

I use it because I used them throughout the 90s and just find them really nice machines to use for a lot of things. Almost everything's offline first, but it's functional enough to get things done. Some things are more fiddly, but that's to be expected.

Most of what I do is creative, a mix of Art, music, programming, writing. I've done things like covid data analysis, I've written the odd letter on there, some of my newsletter gets written on there. I also use it for things like Usenet, IRC, Telegram etc. There's also a lot of really good games for it. I've heard classic 68k Mac owners have similar experiences. Of course, some say the Amiga is also the fastest classic Mac[1].

[1] - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jph0gxzL3UI

_b8r0 commented on People that think you’re an asshole leowid.com/the-people-tha... · Posted by u/LeonW

_b8r0 · 5 years ago

It doesn't matter what you do, if it experiences some success, no matter how fleeting someone somewhere will get really upset about it. I believe that part of this is connected to the inversion of small-scale private conversations into large-scale text-driven public ones without us really being fully aware of the difference.

Without the context of non-verbal communication or the closeness towards people we've never met we react differently online to offline. I think it's important not to lose sight of the idea that people can blow up online, call you every name under the sun and still be perfectly good people.

I found Innuendo Studios' Why Are You So Angry[1] and SSC's varieties of Argumentative Experience[2] really helpful in coming to terms with my own online behaviour. There's also a pg essay[3] that's fairly relevant. I particularly enjoyed Rationality.org's double-cruxing approach[4].

Right now I'm focusing on avoiding continuing discussions at the point they stop adding overall. Nobody's perfect but it's definitely keeping my internal Angry Jack at bay.

[1] - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6y8XgGhXkTQ&list=PLJA_jUddXv...

[2] - https://slatestarcodex.com/2018/05/08/varieties-of-argumenta...

[3] - http://www.paulgraham.com/disagree.html

[4] - https://www.rationality.org/resources/updates/2016/double-cr...

_b8r0 commented on A Week with Plan 9 thedorkweb.substack.com/p... · Posted by u/simonpure

khm · 5 years ago

This was the other post, which I had trouble finding quickly: https://mastodon.social/@stevelord/105510258237207655

I'm sure you can imagine how I received that: "we don't care what you actually believe, we only care about appendix L of the documentation."

People have been calling us Nazis since day one -- we have several German developers so we make VW and BMW jokes about 'German engineering' and of course all the early-cold-war German rocket scientists. It's the reason we've got the photo of Bowie at Victoria Station -- photographed while waving to the crowd, he had to repeatedly deny being a Nazi afterward, because it sure looked like a Nazi salute in the photo.

Once the actual Nazis started showing up we had to get more explicit in our condemnation of their evil, and that's okay -- rejecting hate is the easy part. Defending ourselves against the people we agree with is much harder.

_b8r0 · 5 years ago

> I'm sure you can imagine how I received that

Yeah I can see that now. Thanks. I guess once you process the first bit that way the rest drops off.

By the no nazis bit not meaning anything what I meant there was that with everything else it can be hard to tell what's intentional on the site and what isn't.

I honestly don't care who calls you guys nazis or not. Even if I wanted to (which I don't, I gain nothing by doing so) I wouldn't need to. There are plenty of people doing that already. The harder thing to do is to try to understand without pre-judging. Thanks for clearing a lot of this up.

EDIT: I noticed this in another subthread:

> I do think the image should be provided with context.

I'm editing here because I don't want to add to the pile-on in the other thread. You mentioned this above:

> Once the actual Nazis started showing up we had to get more explicit in our condemnation of their evil

If you want to keep the picture, what would your thoughts be on a log of that condemnation linked from somewhere in the FQA? Not necessarily Appendix L. No skin off my nose either way but I thought I'd mention it in case nobody had thought of it.

_b8r0 commented on A Week with Plan 9 thedorkweb.substack.com/p... · Posted by u/simonpure

khm · 5 years ago

There's also this: https://mastodon.social/@stevelord/105510025405203167 which I interpreted as some kind of invitation to disavow the project and name 'the real villains' or something, which would of course be the same deal.

The whole vibe just felt like it was more about who did what than what any of it was supposed to mean, which isn't really how we operate in general.

_b8r0 · 5 years ago

> There's also this: https://mastodon.social/@stevelord/105510025405203167 which I interpreted as some kind of invitation to disavow the project and name 'the real villains' or something, which would of course be the same deal.

Sure, I can see that and thanks for raising that. It wasn't intended that way but I can see how it came across. Some mediums are just poor for discussion and text is always poor for expressing context.

> The whole vibe just felt like it was more about who did what than what any of it was supposed to mean, which isn't really how we operate in general.

I got that sense from you at the time. I get that you've all been attacked heavily at different points. I don't think there's any way you couldn't have felt that vibe. I've seen people call you guys out to me since on a scale that I've not seen elsewhere.

The bit I didn't know is the how you operate in general. As an outsider that's just not info I have.

I genuinely had links and samples for Appendix L's C section - if you look at the post you'll see the drawing screenshot and references to building blocks. Not knowing how you guys worked, I perhaps wrongly assumed that this might've been welcome, but wasn't comfortable putting it in with that image there. I genuinely wasn't trying to gotcha you.

_b8r0 commented on A Week with Plan 9 thedorkweb.substack.com/p... · Posted by u/simonpure

khm · 5 years ago

Hi. I made that image. I was searching for 'rails documentation' and accidentally hit the 'Images' link. That photo was in the first page of results. Its presence was so absurd and out of place that I felt like I had to do something with it. It was made in an era before actual Nazis had re-entered the public dialogue, so it felt like Google Image Search was denigrating Ruby on Rails by including this sort of imagery in the results.

Generally speaking, 4chan types read it as an endorsement, which sucks. More recently, people who are not assholes have also begun to read it as an endorsement, which is even more unfortunate.

I had a conversation on Mastodon with the author, where I explained some of this, but the author's followers filled my client with Nazi (and more) accusations, and then the author started demanding names of responsible parties and I didn't really feel like he was engaging in good faith. Probably could have gone better, but here we are.

This whole sort of thing has led to much confusion, which is why over the years the project home page has sprouted explicit anti-Nazi and Black Lives Matter links. As far as I am aware, there are no anti-semites (or other brands of racist) involved in the project.

and an edit: A couple of replies here ask the reasonable question: "why not just remove the image?" Bluntly, if we removed everything that confused or angered people, it would be a full-time job. It's more likely that we'll include some version of the above in order to further clarify our rejection of Nazi values and provide the context that was missing.

Besides, if we just delete the damn thing then the next message will be "9front devs are secret Nazis, look at archive.org" -- we've been down this road before with other contentious content.

_b8r0 · 5 years ago

> then the author started demanding names of responsible parties

Kurt, so good to see you again! As I said in: https://mastodon.social/@stevelord/105510076754785649

> Was it Uriel that committed that section? I could kind of understand not wanting to remove it if it was. If that's the case then context in the FQA might be helpful for people who stumble across it.

That's hardly demanding names, unless you're referring to somewhere else in the convo. In that case please feel free to point it out.

_b8r0 commented on A Week with Plan 9 thedorkweb.substack.com/p... · Posted by u/simonpure

NelsonMinar · 5 years ago

It's hideous. What the fuck is wrong with people?

_b8r0 · 5 years ago

ahem http://code.9front.org/hg/plan9front/log?rev=mein+kampf

_b8r0 commented on A Week with Plan 9 thedorkweb.substack.com/p... · Posted by u/simonpure

Technically · 5 years ago

> Plan 9-based technologies are a part of most, if not all, operating systems today (even Windows!).

9p is indeed a great technology—I would have also thrown in utf-8—but most of plan9's ideas remain quite fringe. I would pay a ton of money for an OS with both bind and browser support. Plumber is still leagues better than anything offered by macs/linux/windows.

That said, I don't see "fringe" as being mutually exclusive with "legitimate". TempleOS had some features that other OS's could use, too—its use of hyperlinking is actually really cool.

_b8r0 · 5 years ago

> TempleOS had some features that other OS's could use, too—its use of hyperlinking is actually really cool.

If you want to see what doldoc and plumbing in one system might look like, check out Oberon[1].

[1] - http://ignorethecode.net/blog/2009/04/22/oberon/