MindBeams (u/MindBeams)

MindBeams commented on Madison Square Garden's surveillance banned this fan over his T-shirt design theverge.com/news/637228/... · Posted by u/helloworld

mingus88 · 5 months ago

The 1A protects citizens from the government. Presently the government is being systematically dismantled from the inside.

Madison Square Garden and its investors have the freedom to bar anyone they see fit on their own property. Their portfolios are only getting larger.

That’s late stage capitalism.

MindBeams · 5 months ago

It is a capitalism issue.

But it's also a free speech issue. You're conflating free speech and the First Amendment, but they are not the same thing, and matters of free speech do not begin and end with the First Amendment.

MindBeams commented on I genuinely don't understand why some people are still bullish about LLMs twitter.com/skdh/status/1... · Posted by u/ksec

lnenad · 5 months ago

No offense taken

> In either case your example is showing what? That lying is normal in the business world and should be done by the CEOs as part of their job description? That they should or should not go to jail for it? I am really missing your point here, no offence.

If you run through the message chain you'll see first that the comment OP is claiming companies market llms as AGI, and then the next guy quotes Altmans tweet to support it. I am saying companies don't claim llms are AGI and that CEOs are doing CEO things; my examples are Elon (didn't go to jail btw) and the other two that did.

> For all that we know, OpenAI and their ilk are not doing that really.

I am on the same page here.

MindBeams · 5 months ago

CEOs represent their companies. "The company didn't say it, the CEO did" is a nonsensical distinction.

MindBeams commented on I genuinely don't understand why some people are still bullish about LLMs twitter.com/skdh/status/1... · Posted by u/ksec

lnenad · 5 months ago

The companies are not doing it. This is what I am saying.

MindBeams · 5 months ago

You admitted earlier that they are:

Person you replied to: they intentionally use suggestive language that leads people to think AI is approaching human cognition. This helps with hype, investment, and PR.

Your response: As do all companies in the world. If you want to buy a hammer, the company will sell it as the best hammer in the world. It's the norm.

MindBeams commented on I genuinely don't understand why some people are still bullish about LLMs twitter.com/skdh/status/1... · Posted by u/ksec

lnenad · 5 months ago

You originally said

> They push the narrative that they’ve created something akin to human cognition

I am saying they're not doing that, they're doing sales and marketing and it's you that interprets this as possible/true. In my analogy if the company said it's a hammer that can do anything, you wouldn't use it to debug elixir. You understand what hammers are for and you realize the scope is different. Same here. It's a tool that has its uses and limits.

> Your example actually highlights this well. AI excels at language, so it’s naturally strong in teaching (especially for language learning ;)). But coding is different. It’s not just about syntax; it requires problem-solving, debugging, and system design — areas where AI struggles because it lacks true reasoning.

I disagree since I use it daily and Claude is really good at coding. It's saving me a lot of time. It's not gonna build a new Waymo but I don't expect it to. But this is besides the point. In the original tweet what Sabine is implying is that it's useless and OpenAI should be worth less than a shoe factory. When in fact this is a very poor approach to look at LLMs and their value and both sides of the spectrum are problematic (those that say it's a catch all AGI and those that say hurr it couldn't solve P versus NP it's trash).

MindBeams · 5 months ago

>they're doing sales and marketing and it's you that interprets this as possible/true.

You've moved the goalpost from "they're not saying it" to "they're saying, but you're not supposed to believe it."

MindBeams commented on I genuinely don't understand why some people are still bullish about LLMs twitter.com/skdh/status/1... · Posted by u/ksec

chimprich · 5 months ago

> Remember the "leaks" from Google about an engineer trying to get the word out that they had created a sentient intelligence?

I presume you are referring to this Google engineer, who was sacked for making the claim. Hardly an example of AI companies overhyping the tech; precisely the opposite, in fact. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-62275326

It seems to be a common human hallucination to imagine that large organisations are conspiring against us.

MindBeams · 5 months ago

Corporations are motivated by profit, not doing what's best for humanity. If you need an example of "large organizations conspiring against us," I can give you twenty.

MindBeams commented on I genuinely don't understand why some people are still bullish about LLMs twitter.com/skdh/status/1... · Posted by u/ksec

gilbetron · 5 months ago

I get so confused on this. I play around, test, and mess with LLMs all the time and they are miraculous. Just amazing, doing things we dreamed about for decades. I mean, I can ask for obscure things with subtle nuance where I misspell words and mess up my question and it figures it out. It talks to me like a person. It generates really cool images. It helps me write code. And just tons of other stuff that astounds me.

And people just sit around, unimpressed, and complain that ... what ... it isn't a perfect superintelligence that understands everything perfectly? This is the most amazing technology I've experienced as a 50+ year old nerd that has been sitting deep in tech for basically my whole life. This is the stuff of science fiction, and while there totally are limitations, the speed at which it is progressing is insane. And people are like, "Wah, it can't write code like a Senior engineer with 20 years of experience!"

Crazy.

MindBeams · 5 months ago

You're being disingenuous. The tweet was talking about asserting the existence of fake articles, claiming that a paper was written in one year while summarizing a paper that explicitly says it was written in another, and severe hallucinations. Nowhere does she even imply that she's looking for superintelligence.

MindBeams commented on The Last Stand of the Corporate Peacock wrk3.substack.com/p/the-l... · Posted by u/jenny6060

criddell · 5 months ago

I'm going to assume here that you aren't just a sociopath and are open to having your mind changed...

How does paid vacation or benefits like health insurance fit into your model of the business existing to make money? You almost certainly provide those kinds of perks to your employees even though paying somebody while they are sitting on a beach somewhere doesn't directly help the business.

Think of work flexibility as just another perk. It's something you do to attract and retain the best people and allow them to do their best work.

MindBeams · 5 months ago

The productivity benefits of remote work options have been resoundingly proven by now. This person doesn't truly care about maximizing productivity.

MindBeams commented on The Last Stand of the Corporate Peacock wrk3.substack.com/p/the-l... · Posted by u/jenny6060

jgalt212 · 5 months ago

As a boss, I honestly don't care. The business exists to get make money, and if a side effect of that is not letting people work, or pretend to work, in their pajamas, so be it.

As a person, I would like people to think of me as fair. And that's for the workers to decide not a commenter on a forum.

MindBeams · 5 months ago

Holding yourself to a different (lower) standard than your employees is not the mark of a fair person.

MindBeams commented on The Last Stand of the Corporate Peacock wrk3.substack.com/p/the-l... · Posted by u/jenny6060

jgalt212 · 5 months ago

Not as much, but I'm the decider.

MindBeams · 5 months ago

Your workers are not less valuable than you. You should treat them better.

MindBeams commented on The Last Stand of the Corporate Peacock wrk3.substack.com/p/the-l... · Posted by u/jenny6060

AnimalMuppet · 5 months ago

Productivity? Let's look at that another way.

Assume that people in the office are 5% more productive than people at home. Just assume that's true. That matters... to the company.

But if I work from home, I have a 30-second commute. Assume I have a 30-minute commute to work, so an hour a day. That turns an 8-hour day of work into a 9-hour hit on my time. From my perspective, that makes me 12% less productive.

There's a way to work this out equitably. You want me to work in the office? Pay me more. Make WFH vs. RTO part of the terms of employment, and adjust the salary to match. It's worth more to the company? Fine. Pay for it. Not working in the office is worth something to the employee? OK, but you get less money for it.

MindBeams · 5 months ago

That would be horrible for workers. Let's not establish that sort of precedent; if you do the job, remote or not, you get paid equally. Even assuming a slight productivity bump, John doesn't deserve more money than Dave just because he schleps himself to the office.