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FickleRaptor commented on Room inspections at Resorts World confuse, annoy DEF CON attendees   reviewjournal.com/busines... · Posted by u/jarsin
Shank · a year ago
Why does DEF CON have to happen in Vegas? I can understand staying after Caesars Palace abruptly terminated their contract, but in future years, is there any real glue that keeps people there? I mean supposedly this is one of the most paranoid groups of people congregating in one place. Wanting hotel room privacy should be something that should be factored into the venue-search in-general, right?

Are there any huge advantages to staying in Vegas? Why not another city, perhaps with negotiated privacy for rooms at choice hotels?

FickleRaptor · a year ago
The surface of the sun was booked.

Also, it’s always been in Vegas, so there’s inertia, and part of the draw is the attendance synergy with the rest of the hacker summer camp events like black hat, bsides, and others. There’s no good reason to change, and a lot of good reasons to stay.

FickleRaptor commented on Room inspections at Resorts World confuse, annoy DEF CON attendees   reviewjournal.com/busines... · Posted by u/jarsin
unsupp0rted · a year ago
Landlords are legally obligated to give 24 hours of notice, if not multiple days of notice, depending on jurisdiction.

And they can’t come do inspections day after day.

FickleRaptor · a year ago
These aren’t landlords and notice is typically given as part of the room registration process. That’s not the behavior in question.
FickleRaptor commented on Room inspections at Resorts World confuse, annoy DEF CON attendees   reviewjournal.com/busines... · Posted by u/jarsin
jedberg · a year ago
Sure it does. The reason they do security sweeps is because they don't trust the attendees. Normally they mostly leave it up to the housekeepers. They only do sweeps when big conferences with known "tech nerds" are in town.
FickleRaptor · a year ago
That’s not the behavior that’s in question.
FickleRaptor commented on Room inspections at Resorts World confuse, annoy DEF CON attendees   reviewjournal.com/busines... · Posted by u/jarsin
jedberg · a year ago
Since the festival shooting Vegas hotels have a policy of entering every room every 24 hours. If you skip housekeeping, they get suspicious and then they send security to check on you.

Some clever hackers figured out how to use the phone system to make them think housekeeping had been there[0], so now they do inspections when BlackHat/DefCon is in town because they don't trust their own tracking systems.

[0] One of the hotels had housekeeping dial *5 on the room phone when they entered the room to clean, and then *5 again when they left. So some hackers would put out their "do not clean" sign and then just dial *5 twice 10 minutes apart so no one would get suspicious.

FickleRaptor · a year ago
This is has nothing to do with the behavior in question.
FickleRaptor commented on Room inspections at Resorts World confuse, annoy DEF CON attendees   reviewjournal.com/busines... · Posted by u/jarsin
FickleRaptor · a year ago
I was walking through resortsworld when a security guard started walking next to us. After about 50 feet, he demanded our ID, informed us we were on private property, and threatened to have us arrested for trespassing, all in the same sentence. The issue was that my colleague was one of the amateur radio VE for the ham radio village and happened to have his handheld with him. The guard was aggressive, entitled, and arrogant.

Yesterday, I poked another friend to see where they were at the conference. They were not at the conference. They were stuck at resorts world three hours after the conference had started. Their conference badges had been confiscated by security. The security team had tried to force them to throw them in the garbage, and for a while it appeared that security had thrown them away after they had confiscated them. It’s literally just a fancy gameboy!

This isn’t a safety issue, it’s deliberate, malicious abuse by a vendor who knowingly sold a discounted room block to defcon conference attendees and then, through persistent and abusive behavior, tried to force those customers to leave once they checked in. The issue was mentioned early in closing ceremonies as something that will be addressed with the vendor once all conference attendees have been checked out of the hotels. This wasn’t random room check for caches of weapons. It was not a safety search. It was luggage contents searches for the lulz, seemingly intended as harassment. Either they didn’t want us there in the first place, or they wanted the revenue for the rooms forfeited. This was not behavior in good faith and the specific acts that I witnessed personally and others whom I trust communicated to me that they had experienced directly, could only be intended as harassment or profoundly extreme incompetence.

For 20 years, I’ve stayed almost exclusively at Hilton properties when I travel, with the exception of Vegas for HSC. I’m almost certain to switch to another company after this, unless they issue a really, really, excellent apology.

Quit your BS excuses about how this was a legitimate safety issue. This was almost entirely limited to one hotel. Somehow another 10+ major hotels, including Caesars who non-renewed the conference contract, managed to not do any of this.

Edited for spleling.

FickleRaptor commented on Bomb threat causes mass evacuation at DEF CON hacking convention   theregister.com/2023/08/1... · Posted by u/rntn
jetbalsa · 2 years ago
There is some scuttle butt from some of the goon's I've been overhearing, It was a package with a planted scent/treat package that they use to train the bomb dogs. You can imagine what happened from there. I suspect it was a attendee playing a bad practical joke on DEF CON
FickleRaptor · 2 years ago
There’s a lot of scuttlebutt aka rumor about the situation. There’s little value in idle speculation on this topic. There’s been no suggestion of this on the con internal staff channels that I can identify. Which makes me think it’s a BS suggestion.
FickleRaptor commented on Bomb threat causes mass evacuation at DEF CON hacking convention   theregister.com/2023/08/1... · Posted by u/rntn
FickleRaptor · 2 years ago
Having been there personally, there’s a lot of unknown. But here’s the core of what happened as I saw it and as I gained information from friends with internal con communications access. A package was identified as suspicious, likely by defcon staff and Caesar’s security was called to investigate. Caesar’s security decided it may have represented a threat and asked Defcon staff to evacuate the building. Goons began calmly notifying and clearing rooms pushing people to the west exits toward Linq and Harrahs. People grabbed their stuff and calmly walked out. Most people appeared to recognize that it was likely a false alarm. Nobody panicked. Several thousand people exited promptly and without incident. Bags were not searched on exit. This was not a ploy to search personal property without a warrant because almost everything got taken with the attendees who brought it. It is possible the bag/box/package had gunpowder/tannerite/rdx/etc residue on it from shooting activities either part of the Defcon shoot or other shooting activities unrelated to Defcon. It is unlikely that Defcon will release any additional detail past this: https://x.com/defcon/status/1690740778124115969?s=46&t=WtjuZ... A lot of people are teasing their friends about leaving their bags unattended and causing it. These are jokes and should not be taken seriously. I was startled at the professionalism shown by Caesar’s, Defcon staff, and attendees. Vetcon was cancelled midstream and the main stage party was cancelled as well. DJ gear was left behind for the evening. Much of the con moved to the Linq bar. Don’t make stupid assumptions about any of this.

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